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[edit] Sort order

Hi, gents! Anybody tell me what a locale is used to sort list of families?! Dive into the list of Cyrillic names: one can think that the first letter in russian ABC is 'Ю'. If that were the only thing I'd said Oh, that's koi-8!

  • bug --Baya 12:58, 1 August 2013 (EEST)

[edit] ipconfig/flushdns ?

You invite to "clear [our] dns cache". Ok... If you mean typing :

  • ipconfig/flushdns

in command window, it doesn't work. Any idea? --Christophe Tesson - talk.

  • reload your browser, if it don't help, wait until cache will be updated at your provider dn servers (( It must takes 20-120 minutes --Baya 14:40, 22 листопад 2012 (EET)
Thanks a lot ! It works !
I added some records : the feel is 5 to 10 times faster than previous server. Vrooom !

[edit] Lots of events !

Privit

Lots of events:

  • Pierre Frappé still talks about Gedbot. He's asking for help from developpers specialized in web. Why don't we ask to MWF this help ?)
  • Talk about Rodovid is rolling in Metawiki site

Huh, these are 2 events... It's enough to make a lot of events, isn't it? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 15:01, 23 November 2012 (EET)


I hope that my roadmap gives some answers... --Baya 15:22, 24 листопад 2012 (EET)

[edit] Bug report #1

  • The upload directory (/usr/local/www/htdocs/1.9.3/images) is not writable by the webserver. (impossible to upload a picture)

DONE --Baya 15:25, 24 листопад 2012 (EET) Thanks a lot ! --Christophe Tesson - talk.

[edit] Bug report #2

We've got lots of pages like this :

  • 504 Gateway Time-out --- nginx/1.2.3

any idea ? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 14:39, 26 November 2012 (EET)

  • too many request to server. Currently I have not bought all resources that RD needs. --Baya 21:52, 3 грудень 2012 (EET)

[edit] Bug report #3 (?)

Privit!

I'm not sure : I used to erase spam and block spammer on Rodovid.EN.

Today there is spam there. I tried to erase, and the answer is : <rd_cannotdelete>. And no "block" link in history. Any idea maestro?

Have a nice day ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 16:37, 3 December 2012 (EET)

  • Could you link some examples? --Baya 21:27, 3 грудень 2012 (EET)

Sorry for the delay. I can't give you any example! Before new hosting, I was able to delete records in any localization. Now I can do that only in Rodovid.FR It's sometime a problem! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 14:57, 22 December 2012 (EET)

  • Logout. Login in fr localization. --Baya 13:24, 25 грудень 2012 (EET)
    • Hum... Login-out and Login-in does not work... It seems that some mediawiki-switch has been changed... --Christophe Tesson - talk. 13:59, 25 December 2012 (EET)
  • it is something wrong with cache. Please, close browser between logout and login. --Baya 15:35, 4 січень 2013 (EET)
    • Hum it doesn't work, even if I close browser between login-out and login-in. I'm sorry... --Christophe Tesson - talk. 16:58, 5 January 2013 (EET)

[edit] Bug Report #4

Privit Iaroslav !

When there's nothing in Clan field of a Person: record, Rodovid automatically write a "?" in there. So on a person record there's a link to [[Clan:?]]. e.g. : fr:Personne:746794

It was working with former hosting. but nowadays "?" is not recognized by the hosting system : e.g. : fr:Patronyme:?

It looks strange!

(If we don't have occasion to talk before new year's eve : all my wishes to you and your familly, and happy new year 2013 !)

[edit] Happy new year (bug report #7)

Privit.

It seems that events viewer has some (rare, very rare) lacks in its results.

it's OK now with fr:Famille:188035, famille:77245 delete.--alain 11:34, 25 April 2013 (EEST)

They should! Have you any idea?

Thanks a lot for your patience ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:44, 5 January 2013 (EET)

[edit] Question about Clan: pages

Privit Iaroslav.

I hope everything is ok for you.

We need some explanation about how Clan: pages work.

We can see on this page : nl:Clan:Bertrand that Clan:Bertrand and Clan:Basse, have been mixed «somewhere»

Same thing here : fr:Patronyme:Basse en:Lineage:Bertrand etc.

But, this is a mistake, Bertand and Basse are not the same thing. How does it work? Where can we disconect these two different clans? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 11:51, 16 January 2013 (EET)


  • engine looks for people
  1. with same clan
  2. with same translated clan of people that has translation.

described situation mean that some of person has different clan values in different localization. Look en:Lineage:Basse. IMHO error in NL localization. [2]

--Baya 19:22, 16 січень 2013 (EET)

Thanks a lot, maestro ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 22:32, 16 January 2013 (EET)

[edit] New Users

Hello, Why has it been made impossible for new users to create an account? Regards, Sander (Svdmolen 1 feb 2013 12:45 (EET))

  • I add them only manually --Baya 12:54, 1 лютий 2013 (EET)

I notice only now that also the search option is disabled. When will this be restored? Svdmolen 2 feb 2013 18:53 (EET)

[edit] not functional search/stats

Привет, Ярослав! Скажите, а почему нет статистики проекта и не работает поиск? При этом обсуждение этих проблем я не нашел. Это очень пугает. Намечаются ли какие-то подвижки, в смысле фиксить и улучшать Родовод? Спасибо заранее, Tar-ba-gan

  • После переезда еще времени не было. Надеюсь появится пару дней - неделя в апреле/мае. Восстановлю/включу поиск и поработаю над Roadmap --Baya 11:32, 7 березень 2013 (EET)
    • Ага. Так к слову, хотя это не столь важно, e-mail-сообщение о вашем ответе пришло со 100% неправильных ссылок. Цитирую: 
 ........

поправил --Baya 12:39, 7 March 2013 (EET)

[edit] In re: your message to me

I realize it's a test database. I've only used it to build fictional family trees to keep track of complicated fictional families/dynasties in book series i am reading because rodovid didn't seem like the appropriate venue. Have I done something wrong?

EvansKnight 03:00, 13 March 2013 (EET)

  • it's ok. I did not understand that is fictional. --Baya 08:23, 14 March 2013 (EET)

[edit] Images?

Privit Baya !

Sorry, I didn't give any news for a long time (see mail for explanations).

Today I come back on Rodovid... To complain ;-)

We have a problem : there's no more images in Rodovid !

Have you any Idea about that ?

--Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:00, 13 April 2013 (EEST)

  • repaired )) some reorganisation was made for more adjustable backups --Baya 20:18, 14 April 2013 (EEST)
you're the best ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 23:13, 14 April 2013 (EEST)

[edit] Проблема с регистрацией

Ярослав, добрый вечер. Ко мне обратились с проблемой регистрацией на сайте, ссылка "регистрироваться" не работает. Я посмотрел историю регистраций, последняя была 12.07.2012. Можете чем то помочь? sherlok

регистрация выключена --Baya 13:36, 22 April 2013 (EEST)

[edit] New admin

Privit Iaroslav.

Rodovid seems to be too quiet nowadays... Well, I guess it will get better.

We need a new admin in Rodovid FR : fr:Utilisateur:Dn Gov

he helps us a lot by finalizing sweet translation of interface. Could you give him admin rights please?

Have a nice day ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 14:18, 26 June 2013 (EEST)

  • done --Baya 13:45, 27 June 2013 (EEST)
Diakuyu / Trugarez / Merci / Thanks ! Dn Gov 23:00, 29 June 2013 (EEST)

[edit] Включить регистрацию

Предлагаю вновь включить регистрацию в русском разделе, если это возможно. В этом разделе есть несколько активных админов, которые могут своевременно отлавливать спам. (Если, конечно, причина ограничения регистрации в этом.) — Dionys 10:14, 2 July 2013 (EEST)

  • Давайте попробуем. Включил. --Baya 11:09, 2 July 2013 (EEST)

А почему закрыли вновь регистрацию. Вроде, вполне успешно шла борьба со спамом. — Dionys 10:39, 5 July 2013 (EEST)

  • Вполне успешно? Сколько вы удалили и заблокировали спамеров? А скольких пропустили? И это только в первый день после открытия ((. --Baya 10:18, 15 July 2013 (EEST)
  • Всех. И не только в первый, но и в последующие. В среднем появлялось по 2-3 спам-страницы в час. Я их чистил 2-3 раза в день. Вы же, увидев накопившиеся за несколько часов такие страницы решили, что они не удаляются вовсе. Но регистрация проработала 3 дня, и если б они не удалялись, то их было бы несколько сотен, а не десяток. Можете глянуть в журналы блокировок и ужалений за 2—4 июля. — Dionys 10:35, 15 July 2013 (EEST)

И зачем вам эти бессмысленные действия? Напишите мне письмо. --Baya 16:07, 15 July 2013 (EEST)

Они не бессмысленные. Среди всего этого спама было несколько реальных пользователей, которые добавили информацию о своих родственниках. При отсутствии же регистрации наполнением проекта занимаются лишь несколько человек, а это ведёт к застою. — Dionys 20:48, 21 July 2013 (EEST)
Поддерживаю. У меня есть больше 10 человек родных и знакомых, которые высказывали желание зарегистрироваться, чтобы создать и поддерживать своё дерево, а также работать с Родоводом. За некоторых из них это пока делаю я. Кроме того проект набрал неплохую популярность в Сети, есть немало желающих принять участие в его развитии. Serge-kazak 23:00, 21 July 2013 (EEST)

Напишите мне письмо --Baya 10:01, 22 July 2013 (EEST)

Написал. — Dionys 16:01, 23 July 2013 (EEST)

[edit] Прошу разблокировать

Прошу разблокировать мой аккаунт на ветви http://uk.rodovid.org, чтобы иметь возможность снова вводить данные. Заблокирован так как по ошибке ввёл данные (взятые в инете) непубличного лица с фамилией, информацию о представителях которой собираю (т.к. ее носители - мои предки и их родственники). Сделаю всё возможное, чтобы в будущем подобные ситуации не повторялись. С уважением, Сергей. Serge-kazak 23:04, 21 July 2013 (EEST)
Ярослав, пожалуйста разблокируйте меня. Вы мне так и не ответили. Serge-kazak 23:42, 21 August 2013 (EEST)
  • Извините, - напишите администратору, который вас заблокировал. --Baya 11:06, 22 August 2013 (EEST)
Спасибі, це Igor Roz - він попросив звернутися до Вас. Serge-kazak 13:11, 22 August 2013 (EEST)
  • для чого? --Baya 14:10, 22 August 2013 (EEST)
Бо сам він мене розблоковувати не хоче. Випадково я ввів дані про живу людину (збираючи дані про носіїв прізвища моїх предків), яка не є значимою персоналією (відомою людиною) на зразок тих, які є в Вікіпедії - вона поскаржилася Ігорю. Ігор мене заблокував і коли я написав прохання розблокувати - попросив звернутися до Вас, мотивуючи що такі проколи у мене вже були і що я цим ставлю під загрозу весь проект - хоч я з того часу стараюсь їх не допускати. Якщо можна - зв'яжіться будь-ласка з ним і уточніть. :( Serge-kazak 21:53, 24 August 2013 (EEST)
  • якщо я не помиляюся, вас заблоковано на обмежений термін. Відпочиньте трохи, РД від вас нікуди не втече )) Я не виправляю дії адміністраторів. --Baya 20:04, 30 August 2013 (EEST)

[edit] Про реєстрацію нових користувачів

Скажіть, будь ласка, коли буде доступна реєстрація нових користувачів на Родоводі? Маю багатьох друзів, які хотіли б працювати зі своїми родоводами, але не мають доступу до реєстрації. Буду вдячна за відповідь. --Dytyna 13:49, 21 August 2013 (EEST)

  • В українській локалізації немає кому відслідковувати спам. --Baya 12:47, 22 August 2013 (EEST)
Ярославе, на даний момент ніби є один спосіб - зареєструватися через російську, а працювати в українській. Serge-kazak 21:54, 24 August 2013 (EEST)
Ярославе, доброго дня. До мене вже кілька разів звертались люди з проханням допомогти зареєструватись на проекті. Напр. сьогодні звернувся пан Микола (е-пошта:kolynka_june@mail.ru). Написано, що потрібно писати адмінам - але щоб написати адмінам треба мати реєстрацію ((( Замкнуте коло ((( Допоможіть будь-ласка, якщо вам важливий розвиток проекту. Відсутність відкритої реєстрації з дня на день підриває його репутацію (((( Serge-kazak 10:45, 30 December 2013 (EET)
  • Спробуйте, залогінитись, а потім, будучи залогіненим, зареєструйте нового користувача з його поштовою адресою. А він хай собі, потому, відновить пароль. --Baya 12:30, 31 December 2013 (EET)
Спасибі, спробував - видає, що в мене немає прав доступу для реєстрації (під моїм ніком). Serge-kazak 20:21, 7 January 2014 (EET)
Пане Ярославе, я зрозуміла концепцію створення нових користувачів, але не розумію, де я можу зареєструвати людину: я можу або зайти в систему, або вийти з неї, а як зареєструвати іншу людину? Ввести в свій аккаунт іншу електронну адресу і інший пароль? Мене знову просять, ось, нащадки роду Котлярчуків-Старосольських, виявили в себе багато фотографій і хочуть все це впорядкувати... Наперед вдячна за пояснення --Dytyna 23:21, 5 January 2015 (EET)
  • Після того, як залогінились зайдіть ще раз на сторінку логування (НЕ ВИХОДЯЧИ з системи). Там з'явиться лінк на сторінку реєстрації. І вже на тій сторінці додасте логін та епошту. --Baya 11:02, 7 January 2015 (EET)

[edit] Слово "insu/rance" як спам

Вводив сьогодні дані про відомого англійського економіста - http://en.rodovid.org/wk/Person:810700. Фільтр заблокував текст через слово insu/rance по якому він дійсно писав праці. Чи не можна це виправити? Serge-kazak 13:24, 22 August 2013 (EEST)

  • пробуйте --Baya 12:33, 31 December 2013 (EET)
спасибі, працює :) Serge-kazak 20:24, 7 January 2014 (EET)

[edit] Слова "син", "сын", "дочка", "дочь", "daughter", "son", "sohn" та ін. в іменах осіб

Вже давно збирався написати вам Ярославе з приводу цього багу. В середньовіччі (зокрема на середньовічній Русі, а потім і в Російській імперії, зокрема в метричних книгах і інших документах) людей часто іменували як напр. Іван Степанів син (John Stephan's son), Марія Йосипова дочка. Цілком логічно це іменування відображати у записах, тим більш що це значно спрощує пошук дозволяючи обійти такий нюанс як відсутність складової частини імені "по-батькові" у культурах деяких народів світу (зокрема Європи чи напр. західної України, особливо католиків і греко-католиків) при одночасній присутності конструкції виду Такий-то Такого-то син, що відображено в метричних книгах та інших історичних документах. Це тим більш актуально, що напр. John Stephan's son Clinton i John Joseph's son Clinton значно спрощують пошук серед численних John Clinton-ів. Але коли іменуєш людей у таком форматі виникає проблема - на даний час такі всі складові імені, зокрема такі як "сын", "дочка", "дочь", "daughter", "son", "sohn" автоматично робляться з великої букви при збереженні інформації про запис. Тобто замість Johann Stefan's sohn Clinton в німецькій локалізації зберігається Johann Stefan's Sohn Clinton, а замість Марія Йосипова дочка - Марія Йосипова Дочка, що як мінімум виглядає некрасиво і спонукає людей не вживати таку форму запису. Велике прохання, якщо можна усунути цей баг, це імхо сприятиме розвитку проекту. Serge-kazak 13:24, 22 August 2013 (EEST)

[edit] Hapy new year

Hapy new year! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 22:14, 31 December 2013 (EET)

  • Many thnaks ))) happy new year to you and your family! --Baya 11:22, 1 January 2014 (EET)
Happy New Year to all respectful owners, admins and users of the project and their relatives! Serge-kazak 20:22, 7 January 2014 (EET) :)

[edit] Happy new year (alternate take)

This is the results of a manual count of Rodovid Records, done par a french admin (yes there is somebody who can do that !) :

  1. Ru : 294914 personnes, 63948 familles, 2810 patronymes
  2. Fr : 103726 personnes, 31434 familles, 19436 patronymes, 8663 lieux
  3. En : 100449 personnes, 20146 familles, 1459 patronymes
  4. Uk : 84069 personnes, 15065 familles, 1357 patronymes
  5. Nl : 56908 personnes, 17162 familles, 9062 patronymes, 3424 lieux
  6. Pt : 53274 personnes, 13199 familles, 126 patronymes, 364 lieux
  7. De : 39119 personnes, 14442 familles, 2028 patronymes, 3529 lieux
  8. Es : 35323 personnes, 9710 familles, 57 patronymes, 140 lieux
  9. Pl : 15327 personnes, 4191 familles, 76 patronymes, 167 lieux

(personnes means persons - Familles means famylies - patronymes means clans - Lieux means Places)

--Christophe Tesson - talk. 15:51, 2 January 2014 (EET)

And wow, he did that for all localizations !

  • Id : 12759 personnes, 2067 familles, 8 patronymes, 2 lieux
  • Ka : 7291 personnes, 1926 familles, 8 patronymes
  • It : 1907 personnes, 409 familles, 16 patronymes, 10 lieux

And only for Persons :
Be 498, Cs 774, Fi 214, He 112, Ja 354, Lt 371, No 2, Ro 921, Sr 449, Uz 244.

[edit] Why not a "dump"?

Privit Baya!

Here (in France) we are looking for help and solutions to make a better Rodovid.

Jean Sébastien Chorin has a friend who had developed a software (something in Python, looking like a bot) which compares a gedcom file with RD database. He says it works, but he has a bad feeling about Rodovid : he feels that you don't do anything to share datas.

I'm not sure to realy understand what he is talking about and I wait for him to clearly write it in english, or to meet him.

But he says that a good idea is that you give possibility to download a "dump" of database (I guess in XML), to make personal backups possible, and to work about "gedbot".

This is an important question. Jean-Sébastien feels bad, though he wrote 5 or 6 thousands records in Rodovid, I think he is about to stop using RD. This is the most important problem, with RD. We don't understand anything about future developments...

Is it possible for you to make this dump download available? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 18:56, 18 January 2014 (EET)

  • Salut! Many unexpected(?) changes caught me in my life. Some times ago I started looking for new paths. Your message confirms me one of them. Over the two next weeks I want set up advertisement on RD. It will work two months. In addition, I will set up a very simple system of donation. After two months of testing, april 1-3, I'll present results of these investigations for our small community. --Baya 22:14, 21 January 2014 (EET)
    PS I did not forget my promise about code and database of RD in case my decision to stop supporting the RD.
    PPS Currently RD server and traffic costs ~$800 per year.

[edit] Translation

Dobriy den / Bonjour !
I noticed that in the window used to edit persons (or families), when you need to indicate a date "from 1990 to 2000" or "between 1990 and 2000", the english words …to / …and are shown (even in the russian localization).
Can you tell if there are system messages that could be used to translate them?
Diakuyu / Merci !
Dn Gov (d) 22:00, 21 January 2014 (EET)

  • This is a old bug (( --Baya 22:15, 21 January 2014 (EET)

[edit] Why not a "dump"? (continuing)

Dear Baya

I really have a good opinion about you, but, in the same time I really disagree with you !

My opinion :

  1. I understand that you want to keep intellectual property on "Engine", because this is your work, your creation. But you know that this is not a common idea, especially because your work is based on MediaWiki (which is free and open-source).
  2. I don't understand that you don't want to share OUR database, because this is OUR common work, I mean this is the work of all Rodovid-users.

I do understand that it is not fair that you pay 800$ a year! This is absolutly absurd. So (we already had this discussion) : the community has to create a Rodovid Fondation. You know that in France there are several people who wants to do that.

This fondation has to pay for the rent of the server! And this fundation has to be owner of the database.

(I can afford 10€ a month, let's find 15 guys who can do the same, and it's ok ! Are there any guys like this around you in Uraine or Russia ?)

Why build something complex as a foundation ?

  1. because your position frightens potential users. Why should they work for creating your personnal database?
  2. because your position frightens developpers : why should they build any Gedbot ?
  3. because your position forbids us to look for partnerships (today we could do that with little towns, the ones who can read complete records of who was born on their territories in Rodovid) (tomorrow we can be able to develope partnerships with schools or university).

It's simple, your position forbids us to make Rodovid growing, and this way you won't get any advantage of your work ! And we won't get any advantage of our work.

Do you understand me ?

In order to avoid misunderstanding I will ask a russian translation of this, my english is very bad.

I am your friend! Paka!

  • PS : unexpected (?) changes ? I hope it's nothing bad !
  • PPS : I could bet that advertising won't pay nothing...
  • PPPS : discussion is open on Rodovid.FR : fr:Rodovid_FR:Discussion#Bad news from Kiev ?
  • PPPPS : in order to make you sure I just want to make Rodovid grow, I continue writing records of Tamerville in RD. More than 11.500 persons already in database...
  • PPPPPS : did you notice that Rodovid.FR has the best growth among all localizations ? This make me feel that french users and admins have not the worst idea about what could be Rodovid...

Many of us spend many efforts for RD. I really understand it. I'm not going to steal your efforts. I don't want to lose neither my nor your efforts.

I'm developer. I can't do everything by myself. I was ready to divide responsibility with anybody. And... ? I had promised to community if I decide to stop supporting RD, I'll open database and source code and place it on public resource for everybody. And I'll do it, BUT if I decide to stop RD support (other circumstances also possible but stoping is most important). Now RD is open, working and anybody can use it and I'm not going to close it.

I want turn on advertisement and donation to estimate income from RD in current state (this will be very unclear and tiny estimation, but i don't have any other). If people not ready to pay for features, these features not required to people.

Be patient, I'm not going to do bad things. I hope and think most of you will accept accordingly my efforts.

sincerely and thank you for understanding, Baya 01:23, 23 January 2014 (EET)

I don't want to give up Rodovid. But I'm absolutely sure you make a mistake about database sharing...
I feel trapped. But trapped by a nice guy ;-)
So let's test a simple donation system. And go ahead. Friendly yours. --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:30, 24 January 2014 (EET)

[edit] Question

I am trying to get hold of someone who once posted some interesting things of my direct family and I would really get hold of him. Could you please tell me how I can reach the author under the username Stallone? What is your privacy policy?

  • Ask him directly on his user page. I don't know nothing about him. --Baya 22:29, 25 January 2014 (EET)

[edit] Ads and donation

Privit!

The ad system is ok. You made a nice and clever frame to show it. It's not very embarassing. (and with Ad-Block, it disappears... cool).

Hurry up about donation system ! We're two here saying we'll pay 10€ per month. 20x12=240€ per year = 324$ = 42% of server cost. Not so bad !

Friendly yours. --Christophe Tesson - talk. 11:25, 5 February 2014 (EET)

A new user try to work on a gedbot : Thierry
See also : fr:Gedbot danse la Java
Have you any opinion ? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 11:35, 16 February 2014 (EET)

[edit] Press kit

Hi Baya

I will meet a journalist on Friday February 28th, 3 :30 PM (I guess 2 :30 PM Kiev time). I’ll meet him watching an online computer, to read the work about Tamerville in RD. He will write a paper about Historical researches made in RD about this little village in Normandy.

So please, don’t do any maintenance thing at this moment ! And maybe try to look if the server is OK !

You’ll find the Press kit I sent to newspaper below :

French RD team is preparing several other press kits about other subjects.

Friendly yours. --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:22, 25 February 2014 (EET)

[edit] 1) Press - 2) Name Domain

ПРІВІТ !

I hope you still have time to waste with Rodovid, even nowadays !

1) We have a first (little) result with-press kit in «Ouest-France» newspaper. See :

Not so bad, we'll have some others in future weeks. Waiting for french local elections to end.

2) there's still a bad translation for one name-domain in rodovid.FR :

  • Source talk:

the good translation should be :

  • Discussion Source :

Could you fix this little problem ? 

DONE

Friendly yours --Christophe Tesson - talk. 13:16, 14 March 2014 (EET)

[edit] Rodovid time

Dobriy den / Bonjour !
I think that the Rodovid clock is lagging behind by 38 minutes : I am posting this message at precisely 18h00 in Paris (16h00 GMT, 19h00 in Kyiv) and in my preferences page the server time is supposed to be 15h22. Can you verify?
Thank you! Dn Gov (d) 18:22, 4 May 2014 (EEST)


  • DONE, thank you. --Baya 21:40, 4 May 2014 (EEST)

[edit] bug report #8

Hi, idem bug#7: this family:[[3]] not here:Search ? Cordialement.--alain 12:18, 20 May 2014 (EEST)

[edit] Удаление

Добрый вечер. Вы не могли бы удалить полностью мое дерево. Пытался сделать это самостоятельно, но не выходит - часть записей на нескольки языках. И даже если удаляешь ту, что на украинском (большинство записей создавал сначала на этом языке), то все равно остаются версии на русском и на английском, удалить которые сайт не дает. Пытался обратиться к администратору Игорь-роз(?), но не смог получить от него ответов что делать; А сам он не так удалил. Спасибо за помощь!


  • автоматического удаления записей нет. в тех записях, которые вы не можете удалить, используйте шаблон 
{{delete| comment }}

также вы можете использовать страницу вашего вклада, для поиска ваших записей. --Baya 10:12, 23 May 2014 (EEST)

[edit] Privit

Hi Baya

I hope everything is ok for you and friends.

Rodovid is currently so slow, that it's almost impossible to use it. Have you any idea?

Thanks a lot. --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:49, 9 November 2014 (EET)


  • provider have changed resource allocation procedure, so I need to pay two (?) times more. Currently I'm moving servers to other provider. --Baya 04:20, 10 November 2014 (EET)
    • Ouch! Bloody internet capitalists! But I wonder : could you tell us if ad-system works, and when will you launch some donation system? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 18:52, 10 November 2014 (EET)

[edit] Special:Wantedpages

Salut!

Ok, we can bear that RD runs slowly, this is not a big problem. But the special page : "Special:Wantedpages", is completely unreachable. This is too bad, because we can't watch if "Place" fields are well written in new contributions (this is the most common mistake from new contributors).

Have you any idea to make this page reachable?

We have a "504 Gateway Time-out" message every time we try to reach "Special:Wantedpages".

Thanks a lot for you still staying on the deck of the Rodovid boat! (And in the engine-room :-) --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:28, 20 November 2014 (EET)

  • Try now. I have added some restriction. Also test.rodovid is dropped, thanks to spamers. Hope it'll help for some time. --Baya 23:53, 1 December 2014 (EET)
  • )) --Baya 11:53, 10 December 2014 (EET)

[edit] Новые участники без права редактирования

Привет. Я создал по запросу аккаунт для нового пользователя. Однако (я проверил) из этого аккаунта нельзя создавать и редактировать страницы, на все эти действия нет прав. Что это может быть и как это исправить? Проблемный аккаунт: Polivova. — Dionys 18:02, 17 December 2014 (EET)

  • email подтвержден? --Baya 21:52, 17 December 2014 (EET)
Не знаю. Это влияет? — Dionys 13:48, 18 December 2014 (EET)
  • да. Когда создаете нового пользователя. Прописывайте ему email и непонятный пароль. и пусть пользователь восстановит себе пароль. и будет работать. --Baya 15:33, 18 December 2014 (EET)
Хорошо, спасибо. — Dionys 20:26, 18 December 2014 (EET)

[edit] Развитие

А есть какие-то новости по разработке и развитию движка? — Dionys 20:27, 18 December 2014 (EET)

  • я готов полностью перейти на разработку и поддержу РД. Для этого необходима минимальная сумма - 2к уе per month. Почему я не могу делать это наскоками? Система большая и переключать мозг с задачи на задачу (таких объемов) не выгодно. Мне сейчас для входа в колею и осмысления всей системы понадобится пара недель. И тратить каждый раз перед началом роботы с РД кучу времени или кучу ресурсов плательщиков на вхождение в колею я не хочу. Положа руку на сердце, вы же понимаете, что все это требует регулярной работы. Хороших бесплатных вещей не бывает. --Baya 14:35, 19 December 2014 (EET)
  • скоро будет год, как я включил рекламу. Как раз и отчитаюсь. --Baya 14:35, 19 December 2014 (EET)

[edit] Namespaces in Italian

A little mistake has been done when translating namespaces in Rodovid IT : "Discussão" is a Portuguese word, so three changes (below) are needed.

Namespace : Wrong version : Correct version :
1001 (Person talk) Persona Discussão Discussioni Persona
1003 (Family talk) Famiglia Discussão Discussioni Famiglia
1005 (Lineage talk) Clan Discussão Discussioni Clan

Thanks! Dn Gov (d) 23:00, 15 January 2015 (EET)

[edit] Tags

Hello again!
Just for testing, I edited some records using the gedcom mode, and I noticed that some tags (like _MILT, _EXCM, _FA1) are not accepted in that mode. Is it normal? Dn Gov (d) 03:00, 5 February 2015 (EET)

  • Hi, I have checked the code. I forget why, but gedcom processor does not recognises these types. (( --Baya 10:58, 5 February 2015 (EET)

[edit] Single person familly

Salut Yaroslav!

Since we don't have right to erase any page in foreign languages (sorry we tried everything to do that, there must be some wikimedia switch "off"), we have red links in french localization leading to single person "Family:" pages.

Please, could you erase these pages for us?

And please could you delete these duplicates:

Thanks a lot ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 14:42, 10 February 2015 (EET)

done --Baya 14:35, 11 February 2015 (EET)

[edit] One more admin

Privit Baya!

What are the news, are you OK?

Could you please give admin's rights to CharlesF ?

He is doing a great job among royal families, using source templates, and tracking duplicates.

And please, could you find the reason why it's still impossible to erase "foreign" records, even with admin's rignts?

Thanks a lot.

Nowadays, RodovidFR is rolling a good way: 4 or 5 power users with nice practices : sources and sources and sources!

--Christophe Tesson - talk. 09:28, 16 April 2015 (EEST)

Salut Christophe!

I have permitted CharlesF with admin's rights.
About "foreign" records. It is the old feature - admin rights should be granted separately in every localization. But there is a bug exists :)
It is the nice information about power rd users. The community is growing )))

--Baya 11:10, 16 April 2015 (EEST)

• Thanks

[edit] And now, proudly annoncing : GeRod !

Privit Maestro !

What about that :

  • Gerod, third attempt to create a bot for uploading datas from Gedcom files into Rodovid.

The source code is here :

Help pages :

This is the work of : fr:Utilisateur:Dn Gov

It looks great ! I have created some pages with it. Not perfect but not so bad. I guess Dn Gov will need the help of the whole community.

His principle is quite safe: no new record in RD without the "OK" from the user! Simple and clean! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 16:05, 29 May 2015 (EEST)

Salut Christophe!

I'm glad to see it. It is really good news for me. I know about wikibot. Unfortunately, I never had enough efforts to run it (but have tried three times, or even more). From my side I can say that over 5-6 weeks RD should be moved on Amazon WS. I have done some preparing now. --Baya 18:28, 29 May 2015 (EEST)

This is realy cute of you to say that! Really you don't understand piwikibots?

Wow, I feel better! Obviously I've tried three times to install Python on my PC to learn it. I never succed the lesson N°1 of any tutorial.

Seriously, you are someone important, this could be a good idea from you to send a message to Dn Gov (his first name is Eric). He needs encouragement. And he is a nice and patient admin (much more than me). Thanks for all. --Christophe Tesson - talk. 22:36, 29 May 2015 (EEST)

Thank you very much for your encouragement note. I'm not very experienced with programming but I will do my best. The idea of developping Rodovid further is a good stimulation. We all appreciate your own work creating this site. Dn Gov (d) 20:15, 30 May 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Field : title

Privit Maestro

There is lot of events in RodovidFR.

  • GeRod, is a big trick.
  • Some new users, really interesting.
  • If you heard about "festival de Cannes" you could have heard about "Marguerite et Julien" a (bad?) movie talking about Julien and Marguerite de Ravalet, strange XVIth century brother and sister. We put them on front page. Just for grabing new users.
  • CharlesF, new admin, who is about to talk again about making a more cooperative site between different localization (just like IgorRoz, some times ago)
  • And a new usage of field : Title.

[edit] The plot

Well it seems there's something like a bug in this field "Title". Don't know if you can do anything.

We have :

But, when we click on link "Seigneur du Mesnil" on Simon de Monthier's record, we find a list where Gilles de Gouberville appears…

So bad. "Mesnil-au-Val" and "Mesnil" are not the same places.

Do you think you can do anything to correct this? Or have you any idea to distinguish between these two places.

Don't forget to write an encouragement message to Dn Gov because of GeRod.

I know, I wrote lots of different informations in one post. It's not kind of me.

What are the news in Kiev? What about you? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 18:04, 30 May 2015 (EEST)

On this page sql request is used in form 

event_details like '$title%'

if I change it to form 

event_details = '$title'

then titles similar to "Seigneur du Mesnil-au-Val, patron" of François du Parc de Barville will not be shown at page "Titleline:Seigneur du Mesnil-au-Val". ((

It can be resolved only over adding another property of title event, that is not very easy. And most thing is that all titles should be rechecked after changes. (( --Baya 19:57, 30 May 2015 (EEST)

OK, I think I understand. I will explain it to french power-users. Do you think this field is used in other contries? If not, then I think we can go to : 

event_details = '$title'

But this is only my opinion.

N.B.1. My first GeRod record was correctly wrote tonight in Engine : Rose Vergne (Vergne, ?). Walking step by step.

N.B.2. It's nice of you : you've said some words to Dn Gov ! It's important ! You should do this more frequently ! Have a nice day! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 22:05, 30 May 2015 (EEST)

  • yes. it's used in other localisations in same way.
  • congratulations, and powerful inspiration to you for father steps )))

--Baya 01:55, 31 May 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Working with RoGer

Privit Maestro

We're working hard on RoGer bot. It reads Ro(dovid) and writes Ge(dcom). Uh, the final "r" is just for fun.

You cannot see the bot working because (of course) it does not modify data base.

First result : it runs very fast, so I guess it does not take a lot of energy in server (?).

We have found something strange in Rodovid's gedcom style: can you remember why there are some "Y" letters after some gedcom tags? Exemples: 

1 DEAT Y
2 NOTE RDEVENTID @287519@
2 DATE 11 OCT 1919

1 OCCU Y
2 NOTE RDEVENTID @312746@
2 DATE FROM 5 MAY 1905 TO 21 SEP 1905
2 NOTE Embarqué sur le "croiseur protégé" Friant

Is it sometimes usefull?

When importing gedcom, these "Y" create huggly records in genealogy softwares (we use Heredis for tests).

Can "RoGer" erase it without problem? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 11:06, 13 June 2015 (EEST)


Salut Christophe!

Could you, please, give me a link to the person page with these examples? --Baya 15:49, 13 June 2015 (EEST)

Happy RoGer ))) A nice name ))

Yes, these peoples are :


as I understand it was a part of old code, when rdeventid was not stored in gedcom. By rules of gedcom if event is empty but present it should be marked with symbol 'Y'. On RD every event has rd_event_id as mininum. I had removed this check. Check please, is it all ok now? --Baya 02:18, 14 June 2015 (EEST)

•Checked! It's OK now.
Do you mean you have fixed this problem in the whole DB? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 11:36, 14 June 2015 (EEST)

This is not a db problem. This is the db to gedcom conversion problem. In any way, yes, it was fixed for all records across all localizations. )) --Baya 12:41, 14 June 2015 (EEST)

Great! Thank-you!
Does that mean that some problems can be solved easyly by you, but really badly by RoGer? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:32, 20 June 2015 (EEST)

As anything in this world, sometimes decision is behind you, but not in front. --Baya 15:58, 20 June 2015 (EEST)

[edit] CharlesF blocked

As explained in Rodovid Engine:Community Portal, user CharlesF has been barred from editing.
Maybe Almoustine has created many useful pages on Rodovid, but she also focused on mythological genealogies. She does not deserve to be an admin. That right should be given to a serious user like Evansknight. Dn Gov (d) 21:00, 10 July 2015 (EEST)

Agree with Dn Gov, mainly because she do a diktat on the data-base and she don't respect RD rules (see : 1.4 + 1.5 + 2.1. + 2.2 + 2.4 + 4.3. + 4.4. + 4.5. + 4.6) --CharlesF 21:54, 11 July 2015 (EEST)
Just for information: I'm still Block, and Almoustine continue to undo my cleaning; she don't reaspect anythink, --CharlesF 15:56, 12 July 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Make-believe people

Please, follow the link Make-believe people --Baya 08:27, 11 July 2015 (EEST)

Really great! It's Rodovid 3.0 getting out from adolescence! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 18:36, 11 July 2015 (EEST)

Really great ! it is a very great idea ! If I can I have some remarks;
1) Some people have more than one therory for ascendants! how deal with that ? (if we have 3 theory we will have 6 parents directly connected ? exemple Riourik/Рюрик)
2) Lake of source will continue to make problems, because nobody will be able to confime the theorys and everybody will use it like a "no-man land" to developp impossible theories. On my point of view therories have althow to be possible (I've deleted many technicly impossible links due to time/geography etc and this will come back)
Anyway, I'm very entousiast for your proposal--CharlesF 21:43, 11 July 2015 (EEST)

[edit] DFA

Hi Baya, What do you think about DFA ? From my point of view there are not place for the "DFA" template, they (she?) are using RD for advertising ! --CharlesF 21:27, 11 July 2015 (EEST)

It is in total violation of the rule :


4.4. Advertisement and promotion
4.4.1. No advertisement and commercial information permitted without agreement of Rodovid's administration.
4.4.2. Users are not allowed to put any information about any corporation, association, group or other entity on all Rodovid's pages, except own user's page and user name.
4.4.3. Third parties or their representatives have no right to publish on Rodovid pages, any commercial or any other promotional information, e.g. religious, political, and any other propaganda without special agreement with administration.
Regards --CharlesF 21:45, 11 July 2015 (EEST)

  • like as many others. Unfortunately they did not add sources (((( Imho, this is not an advertisement.
  • btw, this is one of the way to mark relationships. --Baya 23:48, 11 July 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Uncomfortable position

Privit Baya

You're in an uncomfortable position. I guess I understand what you think: you are a developper, you don't have to watch what people write with your softwrare. I do agree with you.

But Wikimedia is not a democratic system!

Though your future improvements are needed in RD, they will be useless against spam.

Please read the complete story of Turquetil_of_Harcourt. It's long, because it's much longer to demonstrate that something is wrong, than to write a fake. And most active spammer have refused several propositions for clean collaboration. (Yes, wikis need collaboration between people who don't agree!)

Users are tired to read fakes in RD (yes: these are fakes!). I guess that they soon ask you to block most active spammers, because you're the only one who have e.rights to do it.

Uncomfortable?

Friendly yours. --Christophe Tesson - talk. 17:23, 19 July 2015 (EEST)

Dear Christophe,

please, be more patient. Yes, there are many people who want to create a global tree of humanity. You, me and many other know that it is impossible even in theory. Most people understand it and try to build their-self family trees in order to known about their relatives, to remember them, and to have them in memory. And this is the most important part of rodovid. Of course, some time it is interesting to read something about ancient persons, but, do you really believe all this "historical" documents that are mentioned in modern or, maximum of 17 century, books with very important remark "source is lost, but author had read or even heard about it"? Who is Rurik? A person imagined by Karamzin at the and of 18 century to receive huge salary and honors from russian messalina on top of the moscovia power pyramid? Do you really believe him? Most of this "historical" documents are just an imagination of the people who try to understand (in good case) or want to receive money from overproud officials (in most cases). Take it easy, please. Personally, I don't believe any "records" older then 300-400 years. Especially after very known "scientific" decision that radiocarbon method is lying in period between ~300 and ~5000 years. At all other times it is true method. Ha-ha-ha. I want to remark: - only records in church books can be trusted, and again, with very important remark - in many cases this is a mental relation, not a biological. Or maybe, you don't know about favorites and honors? This is life, but not an excel sheet, isn't it? Do you know that Sphinx was broken by soldiers of Napolen (beginning of 18 century), and pyramids are covered by white rocks yet at the end of 18 century? That for last 100 hundred years Spinx is destroying by wind much faster compared to previous 4000? Did the wind in 20 century became powerful by 40 times?

Of course, when somebody breaks real private trees - it should be stopped and banned (I have been doing this). But in this case, imho, these 99% imaged relations should be marked with corresponding note. Especially if there are NO sources. But, again "but" ((

  1. Many years ago I was thinking that adding automatic note to records that do not have any source is a good idea. But. People started to add faked sources!!!!
  2. Of course it takes time to add these marks, but mentally healthy people never accept these records as real even if somebody adds thousands of "sources" ))))

so even marking is not very important. In any case, these records force people to think about parents and children, about relations between alive people not a mortal one.

I feel uncomfortable not because of all these records, but because of your so deep trial. It is very pity. Imho, it will be better to resolve it to common better understanding, but not banning and throwing caps.

with deepest respect,

PS I can say that, possibly, I had same feeling after I have seen for the first time how people add themselves to the blue-blood trees. In these case it is just a not very common usage of similarities.

sincerely, --Baya 00:31, 20 July 2015 (EEST)

PPS I hope very much that we all together can resolve this not very serious problem.

[edit] E.t. (T., b. 5835c)

  • very good joke )))))) --Baya 00:53, 20 July 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Supporting Tesson

Personally I agree with Christophe.
I think that we must meet the expectations of readers and not follow only the desires of members.
For example, I do not think that Wikipedia would have succeeded if it had allowed users to write that Jesus could be in fact Kadphises I (Esus) Maharajasa Soter (Kujula ben Heraios) (a Central Asian king) or two other people. Or if it had allowed the pages for Adam and Eve to be rewritten to "Eanatum I (Atman)" and "Heqet Meskhenet ? (Kheba Khavvah)". People would have thought that Wikipedia was just a circus.
I believe that, if we want Rodovid to follow the same successful path as Wikipedia, we should implement more or less the same strict rules as them. Or people would turn to another genealogical wiki.
If you really don't want to withdraw admin's rights from Almoustine, maybe you could give back to Christophe these admin's rights he had in Rodovid English during years (until 2014?) through his status in the French localization. The result would be a more balanced situation, where Almoustine would not be able to lock without discussion the pages she had modified. Christophe writes a good English and he had done a fine job in Rodovid En when he had these rights (deleting duplicates, managing templates, etc). Dn Gov (d) 23:00, 20 July 2015 (EEST)

I entirely agree with Dn Gov.--alain 23:17, 20 July 2015 (EEST)
  • I agree with you, it is very good basis to present information as much precisely as we can.
  • All admins in any of localizatios are admins in engine. It is not wrote rule )). I did not withdraw admin rights from anybody from rodovid beginning (it is just a fact, not a rule). There are a bug with rights. its can be more powerful in some cases. Possibly it was one of cases. But now I permitted Christophe direct admin rights in EN-LO. I do not want to say inpublic about my politics for admin rights, but I hope, all admins understand it.

--Baya 23:19, 20 July 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Believing?

Hi everybody!

(oh no! sysop in RD.EN? Don't you think I waste enough time just in RD.FR? ;-)

Thank you Baya for your long answer. You should do this more frequently!

I desagree with you (you know that this is not a problem ;-). I think you underestimate the thing you have created! Your modesty is nice, but misplaced.

Well, I personally don't "believe" in any document, these documents just "are".

[edit] an example

For instance: you know I make a complete transcript of chirch and state records in one village in normandy : Tamerville

Priests and mayors have made lots of mistakes. Sometimes, we can highlight these mistakes, sometimes not. And maybe, sometimes they were lying.

But, it is not a matter of belief: these records, of only one little village, make a compact and continuous source from 1624 to nowadays. Because it's a homogeneous source, it deserves to be transcribed.

Don't you imagine massive transcripts of theses sources in RD? (billions of pages in "Archives départementales" just for France). What a powerfull tool for historians! We could watch lots of events in daily life of seventeeth century people.

  • Personally I felt the relationship between peasants and lords of the place. Astounding!
  • I've found a difference of 20% between births and deaths: it's because this was a place of emigration.
  • On the other hand I've found an immigration of two kinds of workers: blacksmiths and woodcutters. It's corroborated by archeaology: there was a Blast furnace there around 1650, and the forest desapeared around 1760
  • etc.

And your tool can be used for any kind of document, and then can be a precious tool for historians.

I've proposed to Almoustine to help her creating "Category:Merovengians according to Historia Luxemburgensis". Precious category to unerstand what 16th century historians wanted to demonstrate. This way she could write what she wants in RD without disgusting new users.

[edit] Fakes discourage new users

Because this is the problem: the guy who did complete transcript for an other village in France Chemiré-le-Gaudin dismissed because of 2 problems:

  1. because of fakes in RD (his work could not seems serious because of fakes in the same site)
  2. because RD database is not in public domain (I'm not sure he was right on that point).

[edit] A really simple rule:

The new rule could be:

  1. Don't write "Peter is the son of Paul"
  2. Just write : "I read, in this book, on this page, that Peter is the son of Paul"
  3. If another book says Peter is the son of Jake, then duplicate the Peter's record!

(and cut the trees and write all necessary links) two records:

  • Peter according to book one
  • Peter according to book two

(and cut the trees and write all necessary links)

So then, Almoustine: teach us what you have red, but don't try "to make us taking bladders for lanterns"! (a stupid french proverb, sorry)

Huh, my post is too long. --Christophe Tesson - talk. 15:48, 21 July 2015 (EEST)

  1. From your words, I think, I can make decision that we talk about one thing but by different words. With very little difference between our points of view. My English is less good compare many of us. I'm really sorry.
  2. I say about believing in "Rurik". I especially made note about church books, but my words have confused you. I completely agree with your point of view about these records. These records are pure information. But Rurik and similar? Excuse me ;) - all of them are "make-believe" people.
  3. Imho, even fakes may be mentioned with according description "why is this a fake, where it was firstly used, etc"
  4. I have promised that I made full free access to RD db & engine source in case I decide to stop support RD.
  5. Simple rule: I think it will be better to have one record for one person. But we can add so many parents as we can with special remarks. So we in this situation will have disambiguations only for this person. In your proposal - what are going to do with children of this person? Connect them to two different parents? But...
  • thank you
  • many thanks to everybody. It's better to help each other compare to struggle. All views have positive parts.
  • sincerely, --Baya 19:18, 21 July 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Technical question

Privit Baya!

I don't want to interupt this conversation, but I have a problem:

I'm implementing "Events Viewer" in RD.EN, so I want to make the translation of a really good template, we did a long time ago in RD.FR. But the name of this template is

  • Modèle:Qui est cité ici ?

with a "?" (interrogation point) at the end.

It was working before changing server. Nowadays, the template do works, but it's impossible to edit it! (Because of the interrogation point)

Try to go to fr:Modèle:Qui est cité ici ? you will understand… The "?" disapears in the web address!

Have you any idea on how I can copy the code of this template? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 18:43, 22 July 2015 (EEST)

In the meantime, I think that you can access it through its history. Dn Gov (d) 19:30, 22 July 2015 (EEST)

Salut Christophe & Dane,

it is very interesting bug, connected with missed url encoding of sign "?". In similar cases you can use address page in a bit other format, instead of 

http://fr.rodovid.org/wk/Modèle:Qui_est_cité_ici_?

try to use 

http://fr.rodovid.org/wk?title=Modèle:Qui_est_cité_ici_?

I'll try to find decision in nearest days. --Baya 07:17, 24 July 2015 (EEST)

Thanks a lot to both of you ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 19:22, 24 July 2015 (EEST)


Unfortunately, it is impossible for me (( It is better to rename this page. And do not use question mark in page titles. --Baya 22:29, 29 July 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Technical issues

Hello Yaroslav!
I had difficulties last night trying to create new places in Rodovid En. The software displayed a red message saying the requests had to be rejected due to some problem (I did not write down the message so I do not remember it). The end of the message said that if the problem continued, I should try to log out and log again; I did just that but it changed nothing. I thought it was just the server issue Tesson had announced us.
And today I had to retype my password several times because I mixed it with the one I use on Wikipedia (only one letter is different).
Besides that, everything is normal, thank you. Eric = Dn Gov (d) 21:11, 29 July 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Oops ! A big bug today?

Dear friend Baya

Thanks for your work!

But today there is a new bug : impossible to write a place name in a "Person:" record. It does not work, as you can see on fr:Personne:950299

The "Name Domain" is not written (Place:). Could you do anything?

Oops: in fact, links to "Place:" pages does not work at all! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:48, 30 July 2015 (EEST)


  • Dear friends, I have seen somewhere your discussion about places. I think that it is not a true way to use other place format instead of world standard "from small to large separate by commas". So I have made some changes. I hope they will be useful. --Baya 18:36, 30 July 2015 (EEST)


[edit] Place names

Ouch!

Hum… World standard does not work, in fact…

If I understand you have unset coma as a separator.

This is a big trick, I'm not sure it's a good Idea:

  1. You know that Rodovid.FR is "red-link free". This means we had created 10,107 "Place:" pages on january 2014 (maybe 11,000 nowadays). Each page has no possible ambiguity, and it does work fine for searchers. (see:fr:Special:Statistics)
  2. Users have created lots of distinctions. For instance in Rodovid.EN we find:
    1. Plymouth → Very ambiguous
    2. Plymouth, England
    3. Plymouth, Devon
    4. Plymouth, Devon, England → These 3 places are the same. With your new system, they will be recognized as 3 different towns
    5. Plymouth, Plymouth Colony
    6. Plymouth, Massachusetts → Same thing, these two last are the same.

We had lots of discussion about that in RD.FR. The best way we have found is to use the same names than Wikipédia.fr, because disambiguation have been tested for a while there. In Wikipédia.FR and Rodovid.FR you will find:

  1. Plymouth (Angleterre) (england)
  2. Plymouth (Massachusetts)

No ambiguity, and, this system is OK with coma as a separator. And it's very simple to explain to new users.

I'm afraid your new system is much more complex. What should we write? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 19:05, 30 July 2015 (EEST)


If I understand correctly, from now on we can write either :
  • 1 January 1989 birth : Kiev
or choose different possibilities to respect Gedcom rules :
  • 1 January 1989 birth : Kiev, Ukraine
  • 1 January 1989 birth : Kiev, Ukraine, USSR
  • 1 January 1989 birth : Kiev, Europe, World
So each of these new possibilities (and each geographical level inside) acting like a new red link ? Dn Gov (d) 20:00, 30 July 2015 (EEST)
I think it can be a good solution. But Christophe will probably be worried about the eventwiever, if several searches are necessary for the same place ? Dn Gov (d) 21:00, 30 July 2015 (EEST)


  • What do you propose? I just want to you spend less effort for this mechanical actions. --Baya 20:45, 30 July 2015 (EEST)
  • Generally, I think about places similarly as about people. As example: Every place has previous name and is a part of some bigger place. So we can build something similar to a tree. Ancestors and owners. How they include, exclude inherit each others. So it will be good to prepare places for "p-trees" --Baya 21:13, 30 July 2015 (EEST)

I made a test in Rodovid En : I created a page for the place of death (with the full chain for the name, from the town to the country) but used as a redirect to another page using the Wikipedia title for the city. In that case, advanced search works with the long name of the city but not with the simple name.
Maybe it would be easier if advanced search on the present-day name of a city (acting like the base of a "p-tree") could give the list of all people involved, even if the name of the city was different in their page (thanks to redirects). It is already the case with the function "what links here". Dn Gov (d) 23:00, 1 August 2015 (EEST)

  • For this functionality old and new names of place should be linked in some way.
  • Try to use [4] or [5] --Baya 07:05, 4 August 2015 (EEST)


[edit] Oops, in fact there is a problem !

Dear Baya!

I'm stupid, sorry! Your new system can work:

  1. I've checked in RD.FR : there will be a few modifications to do. For instance events which happened in two different places (mariages, occupation, migration, etc.). By the way, new problems do not appear in "Wantedpages" special page. Eventviewer still works.
  2. This new "Place:" format can be usefull in RD.EN : the rule then becomes : "Write the place name as it is written in Wikipedia.en nothing more, nothing less !

So it's not a problem in RD.FR (where all needed "Place:" pages have been created), and no problem in RD.EN (where almost nothing has been done).

I don't know if it works in Ukrainian and Russian localization (most active). I guess there's no problem in others…

Oops! Now, we have complains on RD.FR : "mariage publications" are always made in two different towns! So it's a lot of "Family:" pages that have to be modified ! :-( --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:09, 31 July 2015 (EEST)
One more edit: in fact, Alain says it's not such a big problem, even in french!


Excuse me, can somebody give me examples? --Baya 18:52, 31 July 2015 (EEST)

When people who were about to marry came from two different places, marriage publications were displayed on the walls of the church (or town hall) of each village.
Like for this couple. In this case, the first place becomes a red link. It will need two different lines with the new system.
But this event is not frequently added on Rodovid. Dn Gov (d) 20:00, 31 July 2015 (EEST)
But marriage is registered only in one place (and this place should be mentioned in for the event). All others only celebrate the marriage! More notes:
  1. it is impossible to celebrate one event by the same people in one place. So Registration occurs in one place and time, celebration in other time and the same(?) place, and other celebration in other time and other place.
  2. if married people comes from two different places, it is mentioned in other events of these people.

btw. As a result of these discussions I have an idea. To get rid off records about families. ))) Common knowledge. There exist only people. They have events during their lives. Some events connected with other people. So we can present any person (like now) with all his events. And we can show event(!) with all the people connected to it. And we can show on the page of event the timeline of events of all people connected to the selected event. And we can highlight events in this timelime that connected to the same people as in selected event. --Baya 09:38, 1 August 2015 (EEST)

Would it be like the "Special:Titleline" pages associated with "title" events ? Dn Gov (d) 23:00, 1 August 2015 (EEST)

yes, I think. --Baya 07:02, 4 August 2015 (EEST)

[edit] See you soon!

Hi

I'm leaving computers for three weeks : holydays.

Baya:

  • Don't care about your english: it's better than mine. And remeber CERN: 2,000 workers, 90 nationalities, every speaks its own english. But they discovered Higg's boson!
  • Do what you think is good with place names. I will continue "red links hunt" in RD.EN with new rules or the same rules.
  • I think you wrote a nice and interresting page above. I think we shall make an interview. If you want I could find a russian translator for this. This will be interresting for everybody in RD.
  • It could be the first interview in a series. What do you think of that?

I hope you'll have holydays too. See you soon ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 17:13, 31 July 2015 (EEST)


  • I don't care about it. This is just a fact and it is a pity.
  • What page?
  • Interview for what?
Have a nice vacation. --Baya 18:51, 31 July 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Place names?

Privit Baya!

How are you?

Did you take a decision about protocol for "Place:" pages? In both case (old or new systme) it's a lot of work:

  • Old system is cool in Rodovid.FR
  • New system is better for Rodovid.EN, but needs a lot of corrections in FR.

In both case we are several users thinking that the best way to create a "Place:" page, is to use the same title than Wikipedia, because:

  1. the disembiguation work have been already done there
  • With no ambiguous place we can imagine to make historcal statistics with "events-viewer" + bots.
  1. because it's less work (very important!)
  2. because any other system can be ambiguous, or creates duplicates (i.e. "Kiev, Ukraine" / "Kiev, USSR") and is too complex for beginers.

Thank you for your answer. We're waiting it to create new "Place:" pages.

Hi guys,

I just have returned old behavior. I was at short vacation. With some thoughts I understand that Kiev, Kyiv, etc are the same place. It was my mistake. --Baya 18:57, 9 September 2015 (EEST)

→I was worying about you, because, usually you answer faster! Did you have nice hollydays?

Thanks a lot for your answer! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:09, 10 September 2015 (EEST)

  • My apologize. We have achieved our goal )) --Baya 13:02, 10 September 2015 (EEST)


Hello again !

Sorry to ask more work from you, but during recent discussions with Christophe we wondered if a small change could be done about lines for places.
Maybe a mixed system could be used, with people writing for example :
Manhattan, [[Place:New York State|New York]], USA
and the software displaying :
Manhattan, New York, USA
That wiki-syntax (allowing to change the title of a link) could be very useful in cases where the name of a city changed during history, and it would increase the flexibility of Rodovid. -- Dn Gov 23:00, 14 September 2015 (EEST)

Unfortunately [[Place:...]] wrapping is added by software in automatic manner during record saving. And accordingly removed before presentation pure place in edit form --Baya 15:19, 15 September 2015 (EEST)

OK :-((((((( -- Dn Gov 23:00, 16 September 2015 (EEST)
Мне кажется, можно внести небольшие изменения с сделать так, чтобы запись New York State|New York преобразовывалсь в [[Place:New York State|New York]], а New York (state)| — в [[Place:New York (state)|]]. И обратно. Сейчас же подобная запись портит отображаемое значение. — Dionys 12:28, 17 September 2015 (EEST)
You can use parentheses now without any limits. What do you suggest exactly? --Baya 00:26, 18 September 2015 (EEST)
Не в названиях мест для событий. Если там написать New York State|New York, то полученная ссылка будет правильной, на Place:New_York_State, а вот отображаемый текст будет выглядеть как New York|New York State|New York, а не New York. То есть механизм, который оборачивает названия мест для событий в [[Place:...]], работает не совсем так, как хотелось бы. — Dionys 21:09, 18 September 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Hi / Hy

Hi !
Small corrections are needed in MediaWiki:Rd parenttypes, the beginning of two lines should be :
history=Second-hand source
hypothesis=Hypothesis
Thank you. --Dn Gov 06:00, 11 September 2015 (EEST)

  • thank you,
hystory -> history corrected
ypothesis - there should be used only one symbol and it should be uniq. So I have removed first one to avoid doube names.

--Baya 08:13, 11 September 2015 (EEST)

[edit] pp_sourcetype

Здравствуйте, при попытке добавить родственную связь между отцом Бутузкин Иван Косьмин [[6]] и дочерью Варвара Ивановна Бутузкина [[7]]сайт выдаёт следующее сообщение:

Обнаружена ошибка синтаксиса запроса к базе данных. Последний запрос к базе данных: (SQL запрос скрыт) произошёл из функции «Person::fillRecordTable». MySQL возвратил ошибку «1048: Column 'pp_sourcetype' cannot be null (db)».

а при попытке отредактировать заметку к этой [[8]] записи то же сообщение, но

возвратил ошибку «1054: Unknown column 'pp_sourcetype' in 'field list' (db)». --sashaz 05:03, 11 September 2015 (EEST)

  • исправлено --Baya 08:13, 11 September 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Mariages?

Privit!

It seems it's curently impossible to edit or create a "Family:" page.

Database error

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden)

from within function "Record::fillRecordTable". MySQL returned error "1054: Unknown column 'pp_sourcetype' in 'field list' (db)".

I guess it's because you're working hard in engine-room? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:33, 11 September 2015 (EEST)

спасибо. Извините, но снова вынуждена вас побеспокоить. Увы, теперь проблема с добавлением мужа всё той же Варвары Бутузкиной. Пыталась добавить через её страницу путём: правка->"добавить семью" при попытке сохранения записи снова «1054: Unknown column 'pp_sourcetype' in 'field list' (db)». Создала запись о супруге путём: "добавить персону" в главном меню навигации, но присоеденить его к дереву жены обычным способом, указав номер его записи, не удалось. Получилось его "привязать" только создав запись о ребёнке и указав матерью Варвару, а отцем её мужа, но теперь при попытке отредактировать запись о браке (указать точную дату и источник) всё равно выскакивает «1054: Unknown column 'pp_sourcetype'...--sashaz 10:40, 11 September 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Rd parenttypes

Privit!

I see you're working hard ! Trees with doted lines look nice!

I have a question : is it a big trick for you to add one more category in "Rd parenttypes" ?

  • Not specified

It should be the default category…

Thanks for all! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:10, 16 September 2015 (EEST)

Salut!
  1. Today I have finished a small optimization of the "hover" mechanism in trees. Now tree's code is 10% smaller. And it works without javascripts (native browser functions are used over css). Minus 6 very old js files!!
  2. Imho, we don't need it. It is understandable that the first variant is a global. All others require sources. So no sources means that this is a personal knowledge (Not specified).
--Baya 00:37, 18 September 2015 (EEST)
Great !
  1. It sounds great! The "touch and feel" of RD is effectively slightly changing!
  2. Well, OK. No problem.
  3. How are you? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 09:19, 18 September 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Проблема видалення дублів.

Ярослав,доброго дня!

Меня зовут Виталий Бидюк. Я несколько лет ранее создал на Rodovid древо своих родственников. Долго не пользовался Вашим ресурсом, можно сказать забросил, так как начал создавать сайт Генеалогия Бидюков на Ucoz. Потом по неопытности регистрировался еще на других ресурсах в поисках родственников. Не предполагал, что поисковики выдают информацию на всеобщее обозрение, скажем так. И вот теперь некоторым моим родственникам не понравилось, что ихние данные и связь в древе гуляет по интернету. В связи с вступлением в силу с 01 января 2011 года Закона Украины "О защите персональных данных" я попадаю в положение глупого родственника, который сам себе создал проблему и осуждение этих некоторых родственников.

Я начал вспоминать пароли и имя пользователя под какими я регистрировался на Rodovid. И меня система пустила под ником Zorkiy Sokol. И вот я хотел удалить все старые данные, но удалить не могу так как мне система говорит, что Вы не можете удалить эту запись, т.к. ее создал другой пользователь... Поэтому я обращаюсь к Вам за помощью. Возможно я когда то регистрировался под другим ником, другим паролем. Запутался одним словом. Вот мои данные. Электронная почта: vitaliy.bidyuk@gmail.com сайт Генеалогия Бидюков я на Facebook. Возможно мой ник был Zorkiy_Sokol и система мне дала новый пароль, но к своим старым записям я не могу добраться. Сейчас я вхожу под ником Zorkiy Sokol и начал создавать все заново без лишней информации. Но появились дубли от старых записей, которые я не могу удалить. Вот такие дела. Если возможно удалите все мои старые наработки самостоятельно или помогите восстановить право доступа на сайт.

Огромное спасибо. С уважением Виталий Бидюк. Творческих Вам успехов! Zorkiy Sokol 22:20, 19 September 2015 (EEST)

  • вы можете посмотреть ваши ники в истории записей. --Baya 23:14, 19 September 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Ошибка в редакторе

В русскоязычном раздел сломано добавление персоны в брак. При вводе идентификатора в поле поиска появляется ошибка ReferenceError: sPbyKey is not defined, а при нажатии на кнопку «Найти» — ReferenceError: sPbyKey is not defined. То же самое и при редактирвании родственных связей персоны. — Dionys 14:25, 20 September 2015 (EEST)

Здравствуйте, Владислав! Вдогонку к предыдущему обращению. На русской локали при редактировании данных персоны на вкладке "Родственные связи" не работают обе кнопки "Найти" (в пунктах "Родители" и "Дети") и 4 ссылки "совет" в тех же (пунктах). Надеюсь это поможет быстрее локализовать проблему.

Простите, *Ярослав.

  • Спасибо, частично поправил. Добавлять уже можно. Детали завтра продолжу. --Baya 17:37, 21 September 2015 (EEST)
  • done --Baya 15:45, 23 September 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Disallow indexing by search engines

Hi Yaroslav.

I ask you to disallow indexing of Person-pages by the search engines (at least for russian localization). I believe the corresponding update of robots.txt would be enough.
The reason is that many of people share their data for genealogical purposes, then meet their names in first lines of the simplest google- or yandex-searches, dislike this and require to remove their info.
Do we really need accidental visitors who can come to our pages through a global search?
Yes, I realize that Rodovid internal search implemented via google will be weaken, but the people involved always can find required info through the List of last names and Ctrl+F.
On the other side, leaving everything unchanged, I'm afraid, we will face the domino-effect of the 'remove-me'-requests.

-- GT 16:58, 25 September 2015 (EEST)

  • It is a strange idea, as for me. This is an open db. It will better for me to keep silence instead describing my mood. --Baya 00:06, 30 September 2015 (EEST)
  • Ну що ж тут дивного? - Пропозиція ні в якому разі не порушує відкритості бази даних - хто завгодно має доступ до всієї інформації - мова йде лише про те, чи будуть з'являтися Person-сторінки за простішими пошуковими запитами, чи ні... Як я розумію, цей сайт створений, в першу чергу, щоб допомагати в спільній праці аматорам генеалогії, а не щоб надавати інформацію про певних людей кому-завгодно... Кому потрібно, той і так її віднайде, але доступність через пошук провокує зайву зацікавленісь. Люди є різні - одні до такого інтересу байдужі, а інші... - я бачу, було багато запитів з видалення даних "в связи с их отображением в поисковых системах" ([9])... До того ж, robots.txt вже забороняє індексацію Special-сторінок, то чому б не бути послідовним і для Person? -- Соррі, про всяк випадок... :-) -- GT 01:26, 30 September 2015 (EEST)

Ви хочете всі сторінки простору приховати, чи вказувати це для кожної окремої?
Дерева заблоковані задля зменьшення навантаження. Й вони все одно не несуть оригінальну інфу, це просто інше представлення.
Крім того, як ви собі уявляете, при виведенні списків анонімним користовачам (ботам) - теж не показувати такі записи? --Baya 12:39, 30 September 2015 (EEST)


Наскільки я розумію дописувачів, що скаржаться, бажано було б приховати всі сторінки, які за результатами пошуку у вікні браузера першим рядком видають П.І.Б. (наприклад, "Иван Петрович Сидоров р. 1 январь 1901 — ..."). В першу чергу це персональні (Person) сторінки, хоча, мабуть, бажано також приховати сімейні (Family) сторінки ("Семья: Иван Петрович Сидоров + Мария Ивановна ...").
Гадаю, що простішим рішенням була б модифікація robots.txt: 

Disallow: /wk/Person:
Disallow: /wk/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8C:
...
Disallow: /wk/Family:
...
Disallow: /wk?title=...
...

Чи додавати заборону на рівні httpd.conf/.htaccess або html, навіть не знаю. Потрібна Ваша порада. Хто краще за Вас знає, як все імплементовано на сервері і як боти його сканують. :-)
До речі, як ідея: можливо, мало б сенс генеруючи html опційно додавати тег <meta name="robots" content="noindex" /> та надати користувачеві можливість керувати цією опцією - хай він сам вирішує, потрібна йому індексація чи ні.

> ... при виведенні списків ... ботам ...
Які списки маются на увазі? За якими запитами боти отримують їх?
Чи йдеться про персоналії, що додаються в кінець кожної сторінки роду (Clan/Lineage)?
Якщо так, то гадаю, можна не хвилюватися, адже в браузері видається щось на зразок "Род:Ивановы..." (без імені та по батькові).
-- GT 18:22, 30 September 2015 (EEST)

  1. боти ходять за усіма лінками, що знаходять на сайті (за виключенням вказаних в роботс.тхт).
  2. простір Людей - це ~80% інфи на сайті, ще 15 - це сторінки сімей. Ви пропонуєте закрити увесь сайт від пошукових машин? Це вільна безкоштовна відкрита база. Якщо ви хочете мати приват - робіть це десь інде.
  3. я ще розумію, коли певні люди для чогось хочуть обмежити пошук про себе (хоча це, імхо, безглуздо - злодій завжди знайде ...). Але закривати увесь сайт??????
  4. за все слід платити. Хтось із таких бажаючих згоден платити за своє бажання - мати приватнє дерево родини на сайті?
--Baya 21:12, 30 September 2015 (EEST)


> Ви пропонуєте закрити увесь сайт від пошукових машин?
Ні. Завжди можна віднайти компроміс. Хоча б та ж керована "неіндексація".
Або зовсім про індексацію не турбуватися, а лише змінити <title> - щось нейтральне замість П.І.Б.
Ще можна в "firstHeading" перед П.І.Б. додати пару рядків прихованого (рекламного?) тексту - лишень би імена не так кидалися в очі...
Коротше, варіанти існують. :-)

> Хтось із таких бажаючих згоден платити за своє бажання - мати приватнє дерево родини на сайті?
Ну звісно ж, ні. :-)
Хоча, мова про приват не йде - навпаки, добре, що хто завгодно може додати свою інфу.
-- GT 00:12, 1 October 2015 (EEST)

  • Ваші бажання протирічать одне одному :) --Baya 08:19, 1 October 2015 (EEST)


Ні в якому разі - листування це доводить.
Бажання одне - щоб люди не видаляли свої дані, залишали їх в базі на сайті. А без змін "I'm afraid, we will face the domino-effect of the remove-me-requests". -- Якщо в цьому є зацікавленість, шукаємо причину і намагаємося віднайти взаємно прийнятне рішення.
"People meet their names in first lines of the searches, dislike this and require to remove info". "Бажано було б приховати сторінки, які за результатами пошуку першим рядком видають П.І.Б." -- Це щодо причини і як ії виключити.
Далі пропонується рішення по обмеженню пошукових ботів. -- "I believe the update of robots.txt would be enough." "Гадаю, що простішим рішенням була б модифікація robots.txt." -- Занадто глобально? ОК. Інше рішення - на базі html; та ще й перекласти відповідальність на користувачів. -- Ні? Зовсім не хочете обмежувати ботів? Нове рішення - змінити форму подання матеріалу (<title>, "firstHeading"). Що ще запропонувати?
То де ж тут протиріччя? -- Бажання одне, рішення різні.
До речі, якщо хочете підвищити кількість відвідувачів, <title> треба змінити на щось більш цікаве. -- Родовід: пізнай свій рід! Rodovid: your family tree free of charge! Родовід: ваше минуле на долоні! Родовод: знаешь прошлое - уверен в будущем! :-) -- Наробити таких слоганів і "висвічувати" їх по черзі. -- GT 18:36, 1 October 2015 (EEST)


То як, Ярославе -- можете що-небудь зробити? -- GT 23:21, 2 October 2015 (EEST)

  1. Я буваю в інеті та читаю пошту не щодня, буває, навіть, не щотижня.
  2. Ідея про те щоб дати можливість користувачам вказувати пошуковим ботам чи індексувати певну сторінку вже давно висвітлювалась. Й я цю можливість додам протягом декількох тижнів.
  3. Щодо створення прихованих записів. Тобто для прихованих записів: дерево видно, пошук працює, але будь-яка інформація при висвітленні прихованих осіб не показується, а позначається як прихована із посиланням на користувача, який цей запис приховав. Відповідно мусить бути впроваджено, як мінімум, механізм груп доступу до тахих записів. Й, наголовніше, така можливість можлива тільки на платній основі. Я про це давненько думаю, але, поки що, в мене немає ресурсів на впровадження цієї ідеї. Я навіть донейшени досі не знаю, як прикрутити (враховуючі всі мої бажання).
--Baya 20:20, 4 October 2015 (EEST)


> Ідея ... вказувати пошуковим ботам ... давно висвітлювалась.
На жаль, не бачив. -- То про що ж ми так довго дискутували? :-) -- Досить будо б посилання на цю пропозицію.

> ... цю можливість додам протягом декількох тижнів.
Дякую. -- Гадаю, багато людей чекають на цю функцію.

> Щодо створення прихованих записів...
З цього приводу мало що можу сказати. Глибоко не обмірковував. Мене це ніколи особливо не цікавило...
Свого часу rodovid.org було обрано як платформу саме за можливість спільної праці над проектом без зайвих погоджень, а приховані дані цьому не сприяють.
В моєму родоводі більше двох тисяч осіб і велику частину інформації було внесено саме далекими від мене людьми. Я з ними навіть не знайомий. Вони просто заходили на сайт та додавали свої фрагменти генеалогічного дерева.
Та все одне успіхів Вам в починаннях. Можливо таки компроміс між відкритістю та конфіденційністю буде знайдений. :-)
-- GT 22:14, 5 October 2015 (EEST)

[edit] account Леонид

Добрый день, Вы заблоктровали мой аккаунт или IP в связи с тем, что я "очистил свой вклад". К сожалению, это не так -- я очистил только свое родовое дерево, поскольку оно содержало недостоверную информацию и фактические ошибки. Вклад мой висит у меня на странице, и я бы очень хотел, чтобы его как раз вы и очистили, о чем я уже писал другому администратору. При этом прошу разблокировать мой аккаунт, т.к. я не могу заняться созданием правильной версии дерева. И еще вопрос, можно ли объединить два аккаунта в один, т.к. у меня имеется еще один аккаунт, который я создал, когда забыл пароль к этому. И теперь хотелось бы как-то все упорядочить. Спасибо за понимание и помощь, Леонид

  • Странный способ исправления ошибок. Создание пустых записей без каких либо пояснений. Вы не ошибки исправляли - вы мусорили. --Baya 21:25, 13 October 2015 (EEST)

Ярослав, и снова добрый день! Пустыми записи стали послетого, как я отсоединил их от родового древа. Я не мог их удалить! А в них содержались фактические ошибки. Как по вашему, я должен был все исправить, кроме как очистив информацию? Еще раз прошу разблокировать мою страницу. Спасибо за понимание. С уважением, Леонид.

  • вместо создавния пустых записей - исправить ошибки. Что тут не понятного? --Baya 22:05, 19 October 2015 (EEST)

[edit] Image address

Hello !
When accessing an image like http://rodvoid.org/a/ae/Rodovid_logo.png, the address is written "rodvoid" instead of "rodovid". Is it normal ? -- Dn Gov 23:00, 28 October 2015 (EET)

Hello,
Yes, it's normal. To avoid loading same image from all localisations - most images are loaded from one special domain (rodvoid.org). --Baya 04:59, 30 October 2015 (EET)
Ok ! (I thought that in rodvoid (родвоід), the second "o" was not in the right place). -- Dn Gov 18:00, 30 October 2015 (EET)
You are right ))) But many people make this mistake (ovid -> void), so some times ago I had registered rodvoid.org. And recently I start use it as common image domain. --Baya 19:33, 30 October 2015 (EET)
I understand now. Thank you ! -- Dn Gov 20:01, 30 October 2015 (EET)

[edit] Happy new year !

Hi Baya

I wish you everything is good to be wished!

Rodovid is cited 5 times in Revue française de Généalogie - Hors série édition 2016 (French Review of Genealogy - Special issue 2016 edition) as a reference for 5 places in France :

Not so bad ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:30, 26 December 2015 (EET)

  • Thank you, Happy new year to you and everybody, who will read this ))) --Baya 19:58, 31 December 2015 (EET)

[edit] реєстрація

Добрий день. Моя жінка не може зареєструватися. Прошу допомогти.

  • автоматичну реєстрацію вимкнуто. --Baya 19:46, 25 February 2016 (EET)

[edit] Arabic localization

Privit Iaroslav!

How are you?

There is a user who wants to translate Rodovid in arabic : fr:Discussion Utilisateur:Sadamadad.

I read on this page: Add your language, that arabic translation is already started. Do you know who has started it? Sadamadad could complete it… --Christophe Tesson - talk. 18:52, 21 April 2016 (EEST)

Salut!

I don't know. History shows that it was user Anas. As I see he has translated just couple of words. --Baya 20:52, 21 April 2016 (EEST)

Privit!
Sadamadad says that translation is done! What is next step? Main page? We have created a draft for main page.AR. Sadamadad will translate it: fr:Utilisateur:Sadamadad/Rodovid.AR page d'accueil
--Christophe Tesson - talk. 09:55, 2 May 2016 (EEST)


Salut!

I see that some translated messages added in a strange format.
Every message should in this one 
name_of_message_in_english="full scope of body of message",
  1. equal sign should be after the message name in english
  2. full body of message should be placed between double qoutes
  3. after closing quote comma should be placed.

--Baya 21:02, 2 May 2016 (EEST)

[edit] Errors? Some help instead!

Strange format? It's arabic .first u speak about wich pages Translated. Second,for the layout ,u should make the effort . speaking several languages, it's clear enough for me .so i don't understand the errors that u talk about--Sadamadad 10:02, 3 May 2016 (EEST)sadamadad

You should ask to Anass --Sadamadad 10:22, 3 May 2016 (EEST)sadamadad

Sadamadad! Iaroslav is talking about computing format, not language format! He speaks of this page:
RdLanguageAr.php
Translation in french:
►Oops! il y a quelques problèmes dans la traduction de RdLanguageAr.php
(Salut!
Il y a quelques messages traduits dans un forme informatique étrange.
Tous les messages doivent avoir ce format: 
nom_du_message_en_anglais="contenu complet du message",
  1. le signe "=" (égal) doit être placé après le nom du message en anglais
  2. Le contenu complet du message doit être placé entre guillemets anglaises (le 3 à gauche du clavier azerty)
  3. Après le guillemet fermant, il faut une virgule.)

--Christophe Tesson - talk. 3 mai 2016 à 12:24 (EEST)

Yes, I wrote about only computing format. I do not know Arabic )) Thank you, Christophe. --Baya 09:17, 7 May 2016 (EEST)

[edit] We are in a Top100!

Privit Yaroslav!

Good news:

•Rodovid at #82 on our Top 100 List is the first time we have had a Ukrainian-based website place so high. The website provides free family trees. Ancestral records are hard to come by from Ukraine so it might be worth checking out the website for anyone with Ukrainian ancestors.

Cool! But, uh, what about french ancestors?

More seriously, it's the second time that a paper/web site talks about Rodovid in past 6 months. And we did not ask for this. Something is growing in your damned site, bro! Congratulations, to you!--Christophe Tesson - talk. 18:36, 16 May 2016 (EEST)

Salut Christophe!

Thank you. It's pleasure news, I hope, for all of us. I think, this success was made possible by efforts of community. Especially for the last years ;) --Baya 13:20, 17 May 2016 (EEST)

[edit] Two questions

The New Pages give results for about 2 weeks. Is it possible to have a longer duration ? Dn Gov (d) 23:00, 30 May 2016 (EEST)

  • I have changed some setting. Pages should stay in recent (and in new) two time longer.

The name of Rodovid is written in the local script for some localizations (Родовод in Russian, Радавод in Byelorussian) and in the latin alphabet for others (Rodovid KA, Rodovid JA). What will be the choice for the Arabic localization asked by Sadamadad ? Dn Gov (d) 23:00, 30 May 2016 (EEST)

  • As Sadamadad wants. --Baya 21:29, 31 May 2016 (EEST)

Ok baya. --Sadamadad 12:40, 3 June 2016 (EEST)

[edit] AR localisation

Can You please take a look on engine rodovid Ar to establish if it is Fully translated or not in which case,would You like to explain What must be done to achieve one final and ready version of arabic rodovid engine --Sadamadad 12:40, 3 June 2016 (EEST)Sadamadad

  • Hello Sadamadad,

I think that I can use it to create AR localization. I'll do it during next week. After I inform you and you will can continue to work with translation directly into localization. --Baya 15:55, 4 June 2016 (EEST)

  • Perfect!:)--Sadamadad 01:45, 9 June 2016 (EEST)Sadamadad 
done --Baya 10:49, 12 June 2016 (EEST)


I think I created a small problem with namespaces :(((
In the Swedish and Arabic translation files, I changed the first two lines from "NS_RODOVID" and "NS_RODOVID_TALK" into "NS_PERSON" and "NS_PERSON_TALK" (because they were dealing with the person namespaces).
It resulted in the creation (between namespace 0 and namespace 1) of two extra namespaces carrying the translations while the normal namespaces for person and person_talk remained without translation. Can you please fix it? Dn Gov (d) 03:00, 13 June 2016 (EEST)

  • done. Thank you --Baya 01:05, 14 June 2016 (EEST)


[edit] Légion d'honneur

Hi, what do you think about title mechanism for subj? --Baya 12 juin 2016 à 22:11 (EEST)

Pas sur de bien comprendre la question. Mais "Légion d'honneur" doit être écrit tel quel.--alain 12 juin 2016 à 23:56 (EEST)

if you will use title event to mark "Légion d'honneur" you can see something like this Special:Titleline/President_of_the_United_States --Baya 14 juin 2016 à 01:00 (EEST)

Ah! I understand, it is good but the legion of honor is not a "title" but a "distinction".--alain 01:45, 14 June 2016 (EEST)
Hello Baya and Alain
This is a big translation mistake, since the beguining, in RD.FR. The Gedcom tag: CAST, have been translated as "fonction ou distinction", (function or distinction), I don't understand why, though in RD.EN or genealogy software, it's just "Caste" (same word in english or french). So, french users use wrong tag! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 09:43, 14 June 2016 (EEST)

Hi, do you think we need rename this tag in proper manner? --Baya 08:18, 17 June 2016 (EEST)

Hi, yes i think--alain 19:10, 17 June 2016 (EEST)
Done--alain 20:19, 17 June 2016 (EEST)

[edit] Signature bug

Hello !
It's only a small problem, but when I use signature (~~~~) in other languages or in Rodovid Engine, it creates a link in French to a page "Utilisateur:Dn Gov" instead of "User:Dn Gov" in Engine for example. I think it was also the case on this talk page on 1 February 2013 for the Dutch sysop Svdmolen, with a signature link to "Gebruiker:Svdmolen".
It does not happen when I use my second account Dn-Gov (with no sysop rights).
Can you do something ? Dn Gov (d) 23:00, 10 July 2016 (EEST)

  • If I not mistake, it should occurs if in localization where you sign no content on your page. I will check it. --Baya 07:45, 12 July 2016 (EEST)
  • Plesae, check you signature. And change there the word "Utilisateur" to the word "User" (so it will work everywhere) --Baya 18:33, 20 August 2016 (EEST)
  • or add "prefix" to your signature as Christophe has. --Baya 18:36, 20 August 2016 (EEST)

[edit] Дальнейшее развитие

Сайт родовид будет дальше меняться и улучшатся? В частности выгрузка данных gedcom будет внедрен? Очень хороший сайт с хорошей концепцией и потенциалом.--Kaiyr 08:33, 6 August 2016 (EEST)

  • Сейчас у меня, к сожалению, нет времени на развитие. --Baya 22:08, 6 August 2016 (EEST)
    • А нет желания выложить движок в открытый (хотя бы для избранных) доступ куда-нибудь на GitHub? Какие-то вещи могли бы допилить заинтересованные участники. Dionys 18:55, 24 August 2016 (EEST)
  • пока нет --Baya 22:09, 24 August 2016 (EEST)

[edit] Rodovid BR

The translation file is ok now (I think).
But I don't know if it is possible to use the same kind of syntax to change "classical" namespaces, to give them the following names : 

	NS_TALK => "Kaozeadenn",
	NS_USER => "Arveriad",
	NS_USER_TALK => "Kaozeadenn_Arveriad",

Dn Gov (d) 05:01, 19 August 2016 (EEST)

Trugarez / дуже дякую ! Dn Gov (t) 23:00, 20 August 2016 (EEST)

[edit] Almost crashed?

Hi Baya!

How are you? Here in France, it's too warm…

It seems that Rodovid has a lot of "error 504" "error 502" etc today. And it's really really reaaly slow. Have you any idea to fix this?

Friendly yours. --Christophe Tesson - talk. 17:19, 30 August 2016 (EEST)

  • as usual. When I go to vacation somebody in the World wants to mirror whole rodovid. )) --Baya 15:59, 3 September 2016 (EEST)

[edit] Oops!

Privit Baya!

How are you?

Lots of problems with my old dear Almoustine these days. I've blocked her for three days on RD.EN. I guess it works, even between sysops. I dont know. This was not clever from me… But I'm tired. (And CharlesF, and Bergsmit, and Morais, and ChorinJS and many others were too). You can unblock her if you want, no problem. But she's still a major problem for all localizations of Rodovid…

I guess you will have a lot of complains, probably by mail.

Users have to talk about this. I don't know how…

Let live Rodovid! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 21:17, 11 September 2016 (EEST)

  • [10] --Baya 00:24, 12 September 2016 (EEST)
  • BTW. About "make-belive" template. Maybe it would be better to make something not so bright, but convenient and useful for novices? Maybe it will be better to create a special page or more (in Help namespace). And with these page try to describe why "make-believe" exists. What types, what questions, problems, the best ways to describe such links and persons, etc. Maybe if merging is very controversial just add a crosslink between separate pages of (similar/different) persons? How to add sources. What can be used as sources.
Huh. In fact, it needs lots of calm talks between users. Use of Wikipage to expose hypothesis, and lots of precision in sourcing etc. We have some case of collaboration between users on RD.FR, users who don't agree but collaborate.
With Almoustine we will have to:
  • agree about what is a "Place"
  • agree to write only "Place" names in "Place" fields
  • agree about what is a clan name
etc. I'm OK to try again.

thank you. --Baya 07:59, 13 September 2016 (EEST)

Proposal: May I propose that When a link is controversial between at least two users or according to an easy to read reference (for instance Wikipedia) then we cut the link and expose sourced theories on a special wikipage?
--Christophe Tesson - talk. 17:11, 12 September 2016 (EEST)
PS: Almoustine is unblocked.

Great idea :) It will be good to group all such pages by places, centuries, type of controversy, etc. Some time it can even be a special huge part of RD. --Baya 07:59, 13 September 2016 (EEST)

[edit] Вопрос о регистрации

Почему был удалён вопрос о регистрации пользователей? — Dionys 10:03, 13 September 2016 (EEST)

  • Я ответил пользователю приватно. --Baya 22:25, 13 September 2016 (EEST)
Каков ответ, если подобные вопросы появятся в будущем? Я видел, что некоторые пользователи не администраторы создают иногда новые аккаунты. —— Dionys 10:00, 14 September 2016 (EEST)

[edit] Months

Hello !
On Rodovid BR, the months in the Recent changes are coded with only the first three letters (it is also the case in the Spanish, Italian, Dutch and Polish versions). Is it possible to have the full names ? Thanks ! Dn Gov (d) 01:00, 15 September 2016 (EEST)

  • done --Baya 19:48, 15 September 2016 (EEST)
Thanks! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 11:26, 20 September 2016 (EEST)

[edit] Admins on en

Email and Admins I recommend de-sysopping most admins due to inactivity. Additionally, you may want to promote a local admin to bureaucrat so this can be handled locally. en:User:Tesson seems really good but I think he is mostly active on fr. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 01:37, 3 October 2016 (EEST)

  • I propose that the admins concerned should be notified and invited to discussion before any final decisions are made. Wikiacc (≈) 18:02, 30 October 2016 (EET)

[edit] person & family page titles caching

Privit!

This is a nice improvement! Thanks Maestro! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:09, 8 November 2016 (EET)

  • welcome )) --Baya 20:27, 8 November 2016 (EET)

[edit] Ошибка при создании участника

При создании нового участника выводится сообщение вроде такого (оно висит секунд 5, поэтому не дословно): невозможно отправить подтверждение регистрации на указанный адрес электронной почты; preg_replace modifier /e deprecated. — Dionys 19:22, 26 November 2016 (EET)

  • Я позаменял код. Но не везде, если еще будуте замечать подобное - маякните, пожалуйста. --Baya 12:08, 29 January 2017 (EET)

[edit] Капитализация поля «Род»

Сейчас при попытке вписать в поле «Род» персоны слова, начинающегося со строчной буквы, это слово капитализируется (первая буква заменяется на прописную). Поэтому нельзя теперь добавить персону в род типа ru:Рюриковичи Ярославские (Смоленская ветвь), происходит замена на ru:Рюриковичи Ярославские (Смоленская Ветвь), которая не соответствует правилам русского языка. — Dionys 09:24, 28 November 2016 (EET)

[edit] Место заключения брака семьи указывается из неправильной локализации

Я заметил, что при наличии нескольких локализаций у семьи, в русской локализации место заключения брака берется из неправильной локализации (английской или французской). Например в М.А.Юнге место брака Gorky, USSR вместо Горький, СССР. Если есть возможность избежать этого, то укажете пожалуйста как. Если, нет похоже на клопа в движке. Заранее спасибо за помощь.--alexandre 19:41, 30 November 2016 (EET)

If I do understand Alexandre's words, I agree this is a nasty problem. Mariage place is repeated in each "Person:" page concerned by the marriage. And this place is not necessarily the one with the same language, but the last modified. Not always smart… Maybe you could change something, sometimes it's simple for you… Sometime not! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:09, 1 December 2016 (EET)
Yes, Christophe, you understood correctly. Person's localisation does not corresponds to Family localisation. So there is no problems for Persons and families which exist only in one localisation.--alexandre 18:54, 1 December 2016 (EET)


  • Corrected, please check other pages. --Baya 15:36, 29 January 2017 (EET)

[edit] Something wrong with <birthday:> sort key

Privit Baya!

How are you? it seems it's a long time you didn't answer to any message.

it seems there's a recent problem with birthday:<person_id> sort key you've created in 2010.

You can check it in this category :

(It's the sad list of abandoned children found in Tamerville, from 1626 to 1827). It's possible that I've made some mistakes, but this category was working well two weeks ago. As you can see, nowadays 1826 is before 1716… Strange…

Well as you can see, these sort keys are usefull. When it works, you can easily understand that there was only 7 abandoned children from 1626 to 1800, and 27 from 1800 to 1824!

Can you do anything to fix this ? Thanks in advance. --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:45, 6 December 2016 (EET)

  • I do not know what's happened. I have just re-saved all wrong sorted pages. --Baya 16:08, 29 January 2017 (EET)

[edit] Advanced search

Hello Baya, the advanced search has a small problem. For search on the "field" profession or function (for example), fields "information" is not opérationel. Can you remedy it. Thank you--alain 17:10, 10 December 2016 (EET)


  • could you, please, give me some examples. What are you searching. And what records are missed in search results? --Baya 16:09, 29 January 2017 (EET)
Hi, Finally it works, I made an error of use of dates. Sorry--alain 18:15, 5 February 2017 (EET)
  • It's good. Thank you )))

[edit] 2017

Good orthodox New Year ! And good rest if you can have vacation. Dn Gov (d) 00:00, 15 January 2017 (EET)

  • Thank you ))) Some time it is better to do later that never (it is about me) --Baya 16:10, 29 January 2017 (EET)

[edit] New admin in Rodovid.CS

Privit Yaroslav !

I know you're tired, but it would be great if you give admin rights to :

This gentleman seems to be a perfect admin : he knows how MediaWiki works, and seems to be able to help other users, creating templates, "Place:" pages, categoies etc.

One more time, happy new year ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 14:18, 27 January 2017 (EET)

  • Salut! done --Baya 11:12, 29 January 2017 (EET)

It's sincerly a great pleasure to read you again in these pages ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 16:37, 5 February 2017 (EET)

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