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[edit] DotNetWikiBot

I tried to connect with cs.rodovid over C# and dotnetwikibot, but it not work (connect error). It's possible use dotnetwikibot? It's possible use dotnetwikibot with my account? --kloin 09:12, 7 February 2017 (EET)

  • I never test it. Could you check the version of MediaWiki that bot supports? RD is powered by MW 1.9.3. --Baya 22:17, 8 February 2017 (EET)
    • Thank you. I will try debug dotnetwikibot. Dotnetwikibot is not tested on Rodovid. Probably variable useApi controle access to older version wiki. I will try make it work. --kloin 08:49, 9 February 2017 (EET)
      • Unfortunatly MW 1.9.3 is ten year old (2007-02-20) (too many changes). Are you going to in the near future to upgrade MediaWiki?--kloin 07:52, 10 February 2017 (EET)
  • There so many changes in MW code. I want to do it, but I think I'll have no time for this in nearest future ((( --Baya 17:24, 10 February 2017 (EET)

[edit] The "yellow wall"

Hi Baya!

Please don't forget to answer to Kloin!

We were waiting for you : this is the first of our request. I guess solution is simple for you.

Help Popup behaviour has changed (I think since we are hosted by Amazon, not sure). Help Popups now appears "on mouseover" ! This is a complete disaster! I thought I was the only one crying with these popups, but no. We had several users complaining past weeks, in RD.FR. I tried to teach (in real life) Rodovid to a new user : these popups are a misery to peoples who are not fluent with computers.

Please do something! Yellow Help popups must appears "on mouseclick" and have a close box! Nowadays, new users are quickly facing a Yellow Wall of popups, and they can't close them! Because they open them by accident, and because these popups stay on screen even if user goes to an aother tab…

Was I Clear?

Once again, it's nice to hear about you! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 15:04, 7 February 2017 (EET)

  • It is an old behavior. I did not change it. But I will try to redevelop it on weekends. --Baya 22:19, 8 February 2017 (EET)

"Blin!" I thought it was easy for you, just some clicks… I hope it won't be too much work? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 11:20, 11 February 2017 (EET)

  • It was not so hard )) DONE. --Baya 22:23, 11 February 2017 (EET) ("Blin" is a childish word for "blyad" == "fuck") ;)
    • Thank you ! (My children speak russian as well as french ! Not me…) --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:38, 12 February 2017 (EET)

[edit] Alphabet

In the list of users, the order of the cyrillic letters seems to be unusual :
К П О Ё А Н Р С Т У Ф Х Ц Ч Ш Щ Ь Э Ю Я М И Ж З Б В Г Д Є І Е Л Й
There is a similar situation in the list of countries. Dn Gov (d) 00:00, 13 February 2017 (EET)


Also, is it possible to translate the names of the alphabets in the FamilyList ? Dn Gov (d) 00:00, 13 February 2017 (EET)

  • Do you have any idea of when the order was changed? --Baya 20:47, 18 February 2017 (EET)
Not really. I began to notice that for countries some months ago (maybe one year?). Dn Gov (d) 21:00, 18 February 2017 (EET)
  • It's a pity --Baya 00:00, 19 February 2017 (EET)

[edit] Blocage

Bonjour, Baya. Le 27 janvier j'ai bloqué l'utilisateur Brachid après l'avoir prévenu et qui entrait des fiches sans aucune date ni lieu et évidemment sans source et ce sur de nombreuses générations. Le 12 février l'utilisateur Inestj (avec la même adresse IP) a frénétiquement créé des fiches sur de nombreuses générations sans date ni lieu et toujours sans source. Je l'ai donc bloqué. Nous lui avons proposé (elle est tunisienne) d'utiliser Rd.Ar, ou les règles de saisie sont à ce jour inexistantes. --alain 19:55, 18 February 2017 (EET)

thank you. --Baya 20:48, 18 February 2017 (EET)

maybe it will be better to give him possibility to finish his work? --Baya 21 février 2017 à 00:12 (EET)
Just do it!--alain 09:34, 21 February 2017 (EET)
I apply simply the rules that we settled. With a lot of moderation!--alain 13:36, 22 February 2017 (EET)
Dear Sir, I do not see good reasons to have a change of mind. Sorry.--alain 20:35, 22 February 2017 (EET)

[edit] Indonesia

Someone has sent us a message, asking the deletion of 4 records created about him and his family : id:Orang:236907, id:Orang:237998, id:Orang:238034, id:Orang:238035. Dn Gov (d) 00:00, 20 February 2017 (EET)

  • You have removed information about, thank you. If it is enough - ok. --Baya 00:59, 20 February 2017 (EET)
I thought it would be enough, but in another message that person insisted for a complete deletion. And I don't have admin rights for Rodovid ID… Dn Gov (d) 01:30, 20 February 2017 (EET)
Also I don't have access to the function "Special:CheckUser" that THLA used (neither on Rodovid FR nor on Rodovid BR). Can you change it? Thanks a lot. Dn Gov (d) 22:00, 20 February 2017 (EET)
  • both done --Baya 00:06, 21 February 2017 (EET)
Thank you!
(Unfortunately it does not work, or I miss something : it always ends with the message "Unable to add log entry". Anyway it is not very important). Dn Gov (d) 00:00, 23 February 2017 (EET)

[edit] Тяжёлый запрос

Если сделать запрос на ru.rodovid.org/wk?title=%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:Eventsviewer&e=BIRT&f=800-01-01&t=2100-01-01, то есть без параметра p, в котором указывается место, то сервер на некоторое время подвиснет и будет отдавать 504 на все запросы.

  • Ага, фактически сортированая выборка всей базы ))) Давно писал, и тогда еще решил не разруливать. Сейчас со временем очень тяжело ((. --Baya 18:44, 24 March 2017 (EET)
  • Спасибо, очень полезная правка. --Baya 22:11, 29 March 2017 (EEST)

[edit] Wikidata

I talked of Rodovid to Ivan A. Krestinin a bot manager for Wikidata (the system organizing language links in Wikipedia), and he asked in return questions about compatibility.
I am unable to answer myself but I am sure that you know everything about these aspects. Dn Gov (d) 21:00, 13 May 2017 (EEST)


  1. I do not understand the situation.
    if it was possible 2 years ago
    • ... I have seen that on 5 January 2015 KrBot added numerous links to records of our site...
    why such question appears now?
    • ... Rodovid uses CC 2.5, WD uses CC0. Are these license compatible and allows data import ...
  2. where did you find links added by KrBot? (I'm just curious :) )

--Baya 22:55, 14 May 2017 (EEST)


I have only noticed this week that links to Rodovid pages had been added in Wikidata. For example, if you go to the Wikipedia page of Yaroslav the Wise, and if you click on "Редагувати посилання" at the end of the list of languages it brings to the Wikidata page with Rodovid among external links.
Some of the links added are listed in the history of Krbot.
After that I saw that other records of Rodovid had not yet been linked to in Wikidata, so I asked Ivan Krestinin if he could add them (I don't know how his bot works and why it added only some links).
Having these Wikidata links could be a good way to reach quickly Rodovid pages about famous people (and to avoid some duplicates in the different languages of Rodovid). Dn Gov (d) 01:00, 15 May 2017 (EEST)

Thank you. The KrBot have imported to WikiData only already existed links to RD from Russian & Ukrainian wikipedias. The bot only adds the link to RD page, and do not copy any information from RD. So I do not understand the question about license. --Baya 13:28, 15 May 2017 (EEST)

Krbot re-started to add links to Rodovid. Some of these Wikipedia pages were already tagged with a Rodovid template in several languages. Dn Gov (d) 03:00, 16 May 2017 (EEST)



Previously bot imported data from Wikipedia. Now you suggest to import data from Rodovid site. — answer (copied) from Ivan A. Krestinin 21:28, 15 May 2017 (EEST)
This list can not be used directly. It has many unreliable records. My bot need account for getting page source. Could you create it? — question (copied) from Ivan A. Krestinin 21:54, 15 May 2017 (EEST)

Is it OK to create an account for him ? Dn Gov (d) 22:00, 16 May 2017 (EEST)

As you wish :) I think it may be good cooperation. --Baya 08:38, 17 May 2017 (EEST)

[edit] Удаление умерших

Некоторые участники, требуя удалить личные данные родственников, также настаивают и на удалении данных умерших родственников. Согласно российскому законодательству потомки являются правопреемниками умерших родственников и в том числе имеют право от их лица настаивать на сокрытии личных данных. Полагаю, что в украинском законодательстве аналогично. С другой стороны мало кто может подтвердить подобное родство, особенно если речь идёт о пра-прародителях. Получается, что некое лицо, о котором ещё неизвестно, что оно вообще является тем, за кого себя выдаёт, требует удалить записи, связь с которыми оно вряд ли сможет подтвердить. Какова политика в этом случае? — Dionys 11:34, 16 June 2017 (EEST)


  • На ваше усмотрение )) Я бы, если дедушка/бабушка (и легко прослеживаются) - удалил бы. Во всех остальных случаях если записи добавлены этим человеком, то он их сам может поудалять. Если настаивают на удалении прабаушек и прадедушек и дальше, то можно еще и потролить. Типа спросить у них сканы паспортов и метрик )))
  • Подобные особомыслящие люди в 100% случаев гуглятся по вконтактам, однокласникам, фейсбукам и прочей социалке ((

--Baya 18:18, 17 June 2017 (EEST)

[edit] Pridėti žmogų

Hello !
Lithuanian user Audronaša would like a correction for the system message lt:MediaWiki:Rd addperson.
It should be written :
Pridėti žmogų
Can you change it? Thanks. Dn Gov (d) 02:01, 22 August 2017 (EEST)

  • done --Baya 23:40, 22 August 2017 (EEST)

[edit] Hello!

Privit Baya!

How are you? Did uou have any hollydays this summer? We were ten days in Moscow with my familly, in august. Really nice.

Some new users make Rodovid.FR rolling its slow run. Strange but interresting study about soldiers is developped by a new user in Rodovid.EN.

As usual : slowly but surely.

Ah uh… on the other hand… huh… I've blocked Almoustine… one more time… I guess now it's not really important… not sure…

Complete transcription of Tamerville is now rolling from 1624 to 1864 : more than 18.000 precisally sourced records !

Have a nice day ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 16:13, 24 August 2017 (EEST)


Hi

why did you delete private persons and sourced records added by Almoustine? --Baya 22:18, 27 August 2017 (EEST)


Hello

If you think these records are good things for Rodovid, no problem, it's possible to unerase them. But we are several users thinking it's a very bad idea. (See: Stop trolling RD campaign !, en:User_talk:Koavf#Back_to_reason etc.

Here is a good abstract of what are these contributions :

I didn't wrote this, and it's funny, but true.

We all know that this particular user built herself a pathologycally mythomaniac genealogic tree, with connections with almost all noble european families, specialy from Scandinavia and Normandy.
Plus making arbitrary connections from these families with antiques families, and then from Bible or legends etc. Using methods described in Common Genealogy Mistakes. I copy / paste :

  • "You are Related to People Who Have the Same Family Name"
  • "You Have Royalty in Your Family"
  • "Family Trees Can Go Back 1,000 Years"
  • "Citations Are Not Necessary"
  • "Ignore Minor Things Like Spelling"
  • "Fill in the Blanks"
  • "Dates Are Fluid"

etc.

If you want I can watch precisely last erased records (with help of french users, I must not do that alone) to correct what is possible to correct. But there won't be a lot to save.

This ask the question "what can be a collaobrative Genealogy site?". It seems that we don't have the answer yet.

Friendly yours --Christophe Tesson - talk. 17:44, 28 August 2017 (EEST)


Ok. I accept this decision. --Baya 21:34, 30 August 2017 (EEST)

Ok. Not particullary proud of this… --Christophe Tesson - talk. 15:29, 2 September 2017 (EEST)

[edit] Alphabets

Hello !
Does Rodovid have system messages to translate the names of the alphabets (for example in the page uk:Special:FamilyList) ?
Dn Gov (d) 21:00, 21 September 2017 (EEST)

  • They are hard-coded. It is very approximate naming. I'll look at it and refactor it to be more usable in nearest month. --Baya 18:45, 24 September 2017 (EEST)
O.K. :) Dn Gov (d) 01:00, 25 September 2017 (EEST)

[edit] Ссылки-сноски

Привет. Если в тексте поля «Заметки» профиля персоны вставить ссылку с помощью тега <ref> на одну и ту же сноску несколько раз, то обратная ссылка от сноски будет сформирована только для второй и последующей ссылок, но не для первой. Например, в тексте 3 раза встречается ссылка на сноску:

    <ref name="source">...</ref>
    <ref name="source"/>
    <ref name="source"/>

со сноски обратных ссылок будет всего 2:

[1][1][1]

[edit] Sources

  1. 1.1 1.2 ...


  • а зачем вставлять сноску на одно и тоже в одном месте? --Baya 21:08, 4 October 2017 (EEST)
Здесь сноски вместе только для примера. В реальности они, конечно, раскиданы по тексту. Но результат тот же. — Dionys 23:12, 4 October 2017 (EEST)
  • Понял, нет обратного линка на первое упоминание сноски. Посмотрю --Baya 22:26, 5 October 2017 (EEST)

[edit] Happy new year

Privit Yaroslav !

I wish you a happy new year, and a merry Xmas, to you and all of yours !

Thanks a lot for all you did with Rodovid ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 16:03, 26 December 2017 (EET)

Best wishes too for 2018!
Could you unprotect the Dutch Main page ? The statistics need to be updated. I asked the admin Svdmolen (the one with the most recent contributions) but I got no answer. Thanks ! Dn Gov (d) 02:00, 22 January 2018 (EET)
We're wirying about you… Is everything OK? Have you any problems? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 13:06, 3 February 2018 (EET)

Hi,

  • I have missed e-mail about the page changes. Main page unprotected.
  • Thhank you, no any problems, just everything is unchangeable ...

--Baya 22:08, 17 February 2018 (EET)

O.K. By the way, the number of records for persons is now over 1 million (since 2 February). Бу́дьмо ! - Dn Gov (d) 22:00, 18 February 2018 (EET)
Oooooooooooooone millioooooooooooooooooooooon !!!
Anyway, glad to read you ! I was worrying (and not wirying…) --Christophe Tesson - talk. 15:45, 19 February 2018 (EET)

[edit] Big mistake

Privit Yaroslav :

How are you ?

I've made a big mistake : I've erased several Images description pages, though they were used :

  • Image:Sophia Karkovna et Alexei Alexandrovitch.jpg
  • Image:Sophia Karlovna Rimsky-Korsakoff.jpg
  • Image:Cours supérieur pour les femmes. Le bâtiment principal sur le terrain de la Vierge.jpg

The user told me she don't have any copies of these images…

Is there any way to recover these files on Rodvoid ?

Have a nice day… --Christophe Tesson - talk. 09:59, 7 March 2018 (EET)

  • I think it is possible. I have the backups for the year. I will look for then in the backups. Could you please say me in what localisation these images were? --Baya 19:43, 1 June 2018 (EEST)

[edit] Messages

Hello !
Can I have sysop rights for Rodovid Engine?
(Some system messages haven't yet been added : editing form, preferences…).
Thanks.

А також може ви знизити захист на головній сторінці сербської мови? Я хотів би додати повідомлення про створення нових облікових записів.
Я залишив повідомлення на сторінці сербського адміністратора Baron, але він не відповідає. Очевидно, він є у вікі-паузіі з 2006 року.
Dn Gov (d) 23:00, 15 April 2018 (EEST)
Is there any Problem Baya? No answer since february? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 16:04, 25 May 2018 (EEST)


Hi, Dn Gov,

  1. you are sysop here.
  2. захист головної сторінки сербського розділу знято. --Baya 19:41, 1 June 2018 (EEST)

[edit] Bad news…

fr:User:THLA died on last saturday. He was a nice fellow, helping everybody, and a great power-user in Rodovid.fr. --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:37, 30 May 2018 (EEST)

  • News about THLA's death touched me, I understand that my words and thoughts have little to change, but I express my condolences to THLA's relatives and friends, and I hope that THLA's work in Rodovid will remind us of him for a long time. --Baya 19:36, 1 June 2018 (EEST)
I have coppied your message in rodovid.fr, so the familly can read it. Any message is helpfull in these case… --Christophe Tesson - talk. 20:21, 1 June 2018 (EEST)
  • Thank you --Baya 23:11, 6 June 2018 (EEST)

[edit] My silence

Hello everyone,

I'm sorry for my silence. It's all ok for me. I lost RD mail again in some way. I will check carefully during couple next week the RD mailing system. Moreover I have done some removing in RD by people requests but did not check my discussion page here ((( My apologies. --Baya 19:30, 1 June 2018 (EEST)

I want to add my special thanks to Christophe for his direct email to me about my silence. So I was noted. --Baya 19:46, 1 June 2018 (EEST)

It's nothing, you're welcome.--Christophe Tesson - talk. 20:10, 1 June 2018 (EEST)

[edit] Login difficulty

Hello again !
An old user, F.zucherato, has sent an (indirect) message on Rodovid PT because he can not access his account and because he has forgotten the address he used then.
Is it possible for you to remind him his old address by e-mail ? (He gave his new address in his message).
Dn Gov (d) 21:05, 1 June 2018 (EEST)

Yes, thanks a lot, DN GOV !
I just accessed here, engine, to ask Baya about same case... :-)

I would like to know if can the Local Sysop (me!) use any special page to edit the registration / account of another user (as we already doing to create a new account/userid !?) and change/correct their e-mail address ?
Morais 23:01, 2 June 2018 (EEST)


Hello,

  1. Every registered user can send e-mail to other registered user directly from the site.
  2. Mentioned account was registered with e-mail 'sc.....13@yahoo.com.br'
  3. Morais, there are no such possibility at RD. Generally I can edit user information directly in DB, but I never do it. --Baya 22:57, 6 June 2018 (EEST)
  • Ok. Thanks a lot ! I saw your reply on same date, but I lost reply/commnent here... sorry ! Morais 08:20, 16 August 2018 (EEST)

Some times I answer after looooong delay ))) Be well --Baya 21:41, 16 August 2018 (EEST)

[edit] Lost images

Privit Baya

  • Image:Sophia Karkovna et Alexei Alexandrovitch.jpg
  • Image:Sophia Karlovna Rimsky-Korsakoff.jpg
  • Image:Cours supérieur pour les femmes. Le bâtiment principal sur le terrain de la Vierge.jpg

were uploaded from Rodovid.fr --Christophe Tesson - talk. 17:56, 3 June 2018 (EEST)

---

Salut Christophe!

sorry for long delay,

please check if bellow images are that you need :)

--Baya 18:34, 30 November 2018 (EET)

[edit] Все родственники одним деревом

Есть ли на портале функция представления ВСЕХ записей пользователя о своих родственниках ОДНОЙ графической структурой/деревом?

  • net --Baya 07:36, 16 August 2018 (EEST)

[edit] Ridni?

Privit Baya !

How are you?

I have two questions :

  1. Did you find these lost images I asked (above)?
  2. Did you make any partnership with Ridni? (https://ridni.org/). Their ads are passing through AdBlock and are displayed on Rodovid. It could be a good idea, but I didn't understand how it works…

Have a nice day --Christophe Tesson - talk. 17:40, 25 November 2018 (EET)


Salut Christophe!

  1. I'm sorry. I forgot. Thank you for reminding. (DONE. see results above in the page)
  2. Yes, maybe it will give me some income, so it will be possible to spend some time for the RD developing. Because of it's not an adv. ;)

Have a nice day too --Baya 22:15, 25 November 2018 (EET)


Salut Yaroslav !

  1. Thanks a lot ! I told the good news to Agnès Rimsky-korsakoff
  2. About Ridni:
    1. Could we translate the text "Genealogical Research in the archives of Ukraine" etc.
    2. If we have partnership it's a good idea to anounce it on front page. Do you agree? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 19:14, 1 December 2018 (EET)

Salut!

  1. The Ridni site supports only Ukrainian. So I think that even English is more than we need.
  2. As you wish. ))

--Baya 21:24, 1 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] Bug with Family's Edtition

Hello Baya, I have a problem, i can't edit my Families's Page. When I want edit a family, it's the Home Page which is modificated... So I never can edie any wedding. I just can modify the Home Page. I don't understand why. And Christophe Tesson don't understand this problem. Could you do something please ? StanMiszkowk 19:09, 1 December 2018 (EET)

Mamonaku (another poweruser) says he have exactly the same bug ! I don't have this problem, maybe because I have admin's rights? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 19:35, 1 December 2018 (EET)
  • checking --Baya 20:01, 1 December 2018 (EET)
  • The wrong behavior was possible today morning. But now everything should be ok. Could they, please, check a family page editing now? --Baya 20:06, 1 December 2018 (EET)
Thanks a lot ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:59, 2 December 2018 (EET)
► Thank you very much ! I've edited a family page and now everything is ok. Thank you again Baya StanMiszkowk 14:50, 2 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] Ridni

Hello Baya !

Partnership with Ridni is announced on RD.FR front page. I do think that users are more confortable when they understand how the site is running, specially with money! French text means :

• About "Ridni":

Official partner of Rodovid, Ridni is a genealogical research service in the archives of Ukraine. Their site is currently only available in Ukrainian, but an English version is planned. It is always possible to use an automatic translator to get an idea of how it works. Rates are announced in "Hryvnia" but can also be displayed in Euros or Dollars. This partnership is intended to subsidize the costs of the Rodovid server, and the future developments of "Rodovid Engine" (our software). You will find their research form opposite (only in English: "Genealogical Research in the archives of Ukraine").

Is it correct? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:41, 2 December 2018 (EET)

  • I think, yes. Thank you. --Baya 12:58, 2 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] фотографии

Спасибо, что нашли фотографии моей бабушки Софья Карловна Римская-Корсакова. Желаю вам хорошего дня.

  • welcome, have a nice day too )) --Baya 12:59, 2 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] December 2, 2018

- The first point. Google ads completely removed. For the last six month I had $27.30 in total. I don't see any reasons to continue. The next point is a usage of google analytics.

Oooh! This is bad news! I thought ads were paying the whole server cost… --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:10, 3 December 2018 (EET)

Two years ago. I forgot to add report for 2017 year. I'll add reports for two years simultaneously in January )) --Baya 22:28, 3 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] страницу своей семьи

Доброго здоровья Baya! Подскажите пожалуйста! Никак не могу редактировать страницу своей семьи.Только собираюсь отредактировать выбрать язык, как меня пересылают на Редактирование страницы: "Многоязычное генеалогическое древо" Поэтому я никогда не могу добавить новый язык,такая же история была две недели назад в разделе "Родственные связи" не мог добавить новую или редактироввать старую свадьбу.  — Анатолий Родовик 13:54, 5 декабрь 2018 (EET)

  • Такое было втечение пары часов 1го или 2го декабря. Сейчасв все работает нормально. Можете вы конкретно указать страницу семьи или персоны, на которой вы наблюдаете описанное? --Baya 20:26, 5 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] страницу своей семьи

Здравствуйте, Бая! Да это семья, Маяковских, там кто то в русской локации написал Маяковські, теперь хочу отдельно на украинскую локацию, чтобы был порядок.

Семья Маяковских https://ru.rodovid.org/wk/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8C:720155

Извините не разбираюсь к сожалению во всех компьютерных терминах и правках.

 — Анатолий Родовик Bugrim 08:33, 6 December 2018 (EET)

  • предыдущий раз вы справшивали про семью, сейчас описываете поле "Род". Пожалуйста, прочитайте внимательно справку. И не используйте нуместные отговорки. --Baya 21:20, 6 December 2018 (EET)
  • Этот "кто-то" -- вы сами. Прочитайте внимательно справку. --Baya 21:22, 6 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] страницу своей семьи

Здравствуйте, Бая! Отговорками не занимаюсь,скорее всего вы не поняли вопрос,так как я не совсем чётко написал а суть такова,действительно была проблема с семьёй но видимо не имею возможности доказать что она ещё была,когда написал вам письмо,на следующий день эта проблема исчезла но появилась новая с редактированием языка,так и не исчезла к сожалению. Что до своих ошибок,я не боюсь признавать их,видимо забыл,но точно помню что в общем плане кто то изменил потому что не я создавал вот это https://ru.rodovid.org/wk/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8C:390084 только редактировал малость. Бая напишите пожалуйста свой емейл на zetas2057@gmail.com и я вам вышлю копии метрических и других документов,чтобы вы понимали что имею родственное отношение к этой семье. В мыслях даже не было отговорок,с чего вы так решили,правда мой пароль знают два родственника,но наврядли они редактировали(можно по айпи адрессу проверить).Большую часть семьи Маяковских действительно создавал но язык в русской локации не менял на "ські" теперь собираюсь для порядка в украинской написать как положено у вас на сайте. Несколько раз добавлял что то новое а название фамилии последний раз вынужден был поменять на "ські" неделю назад только у одного человека потому что цвет от всех отличался и не смог через два дня после этого перевести потому что функция эта перестала работать. Могу вам переслать пароль чтобы вы посмотрели мои правки за весь период,и увидели проблему в разделе "На других языках".

Анатолий Родовик Bugrim 14:46, 7 December 2018 (EET)


  1. Все ваши вопросы автоматически получат ответы после того, как вы прочитаете справку.
  2. Никому не давайте свой пароль. Никогда. Это правило гигиены в интернете.
  3. Я вам писал про "было".
  4. Заявления о существовании проблем, которые не описаны - голословны и только крадут время.
  5. ПРОЧИТАЙТЕ СПРАВКУ.
  6. Прочитайте красный текст вначале этой страницы.

--Baya 20:38, 7 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] Благодарность

Спасибо за совет,постараюсь вникнуть в суть! Извините за ошибки.

Анатолий Родовик Bugrim 02:15, 8 December 2018 (EET)

  • Спасибо за понимание. --Baya 20:50, 8 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] New admin in FR?

Privit Baya!

I wish you a happy new year and a merry january Xmas (if we don't talk before January).

Could you please give sysop rights to Enjoymegrine? He's a nice fellow, tracking tunisians trees in RD.FR ans other localizations. He's finding lots of duplicates and islolated records. With sysop rights he could erase these useless records!

Thanks in advance! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:27, 18 December 2018 (EET)

  1. Thank you, my congratulations to you ))
  2. DONE
Tnaks Thanks a lot ! --Christophe Tesson - talk.
  • ))--Baya 21:24, 18 December 2018 (EET)

welcome, --Baya 16:36, 18 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] Merry Xmas

and happy statistics: 1 055 927 records. (see : https://fr.rodovid.org/wk/Special:Statistics). Thanks to Dn Gov for this count ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 18:21, 6 January 2019 (EET)

  • Interesting ))) How had Dn Gov calculated it? --Baya 13:09, 7 January 2019 (EET)
  • This is a translation of his method :

Countdown made from Special: Allpages. In all namespaces, each full page lists 960 records (out of 320 rows) and the deleted people are not listed.

(Décompte fait à partir de Special:Allpages. Dans tous les espaces de noms, chaque page complète répertorie 960 fiches (sur 320 lignes) et les personnes effacées n'y figurent pas.) --Christophe Tesson - talk. 17:18, 7 January 2019 (EET)

In fact, since 2016 I have used a method that everyone can check, with the "New records" page. By changing the offset in the address, one can see the rank of the earliest record.
For example in the English version, you can see the total number for Rodovid, or only the number of English records.
But it works only for the person namespace. I tried to do the same for couples or places using the "New pages" link but it gives only the recent pages. Dn Gov (d) 22:00, 7 January 2019 (EET)
Nice trick ! --Christophe Tesson - talk.
  • It's nice. I know about the 'New records' way but it's not too clear )) The 'Allpages' is more simple. Thank you guys. --Baya 19:17, 9 January 2019 (EET)

[edit] Oops! One more time the same bug?

Privit Baya!

How are you?

It seems there's one more time a similar bug : I am trying to move fr:Personne:1165292 to russian localization, but it doesn't work. When I try to do that, RD.RU invite me to edit main page… Embarassing…

Have you any idea?

Friendly yours ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:52, 12 January 2019 (EET)


Salut Christophe,

The same issue, but different bug. I have resolved it. But some cached locally urls will continue redirect you on the wrong page. If it possible clear the cache for rodovid site in your browser. --Baya 15:29, 12 January 2019 (EET)

[edit] Something turned bad

I’m typing on my phone. Impossible to log-in RD after purging cache on my main computer:

ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS (usine chrome almost the same usine edge) --Christophe Tesson - talk. 17:20, 12 January 2019 (EET)

Да, страница логина сломана. Во-первых, переход на неё из верхнего меню на адрес https://en.rodovid.org/wk?title=Special:Userlogin бесконечно редиректит на страницу https://en.rodovid.org//Special:Userlogin?title=Special:Userlogin. Ладно, можно догадаться и руками исправить на https://en.rodovid.org/wk/Special:Userlogin и появится форма логина. Но, во-вторых, в ней в атрибуте action указана ссылка /wk?title=Special:Userlogin&action=submitlogin&type=login, отправка данных на которую опять же приводит к бесконечному редиректу на /submitlogin/Special:Userlogin?title=Special:Userlogin&action=submitlogin&type=login. Если исправить поле action на /wk/Special:Userlogin?action=submitlogin&type=login, войти наконец получится. — Dionys 10:40, 13 January 2019 (EET)

Thanks Dionys! (Still typing with iPhone wich is still loged-in) I can access to log-in page with the last adress yougave. But when I «log in» it’s same error : err_too_many_redirects ! So it does not work ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 11:29, 13 January 2019 (EET)

You need to change HTML form attribute action value to /wk/Special:Userlogin?action=submitlogin&type=login on login page. E.g. type in browser console: document.forms["userlogin"].action = "/wk/Special:Userlogin?action=submitlogin&type=login". And try to login. — Dionys 13:49, 13 January 2019 (EET)
  • Thank you Dionys. I'm sorry for so stupid bug. I have removed redirects at all. Will do it later. --Baya 15:50, 13 January 2019 (EET)
Well done ! It works ! (Typing from my main computer !) Thanks everybody !
And it's really cool to see everybody reacting in few hours! Let's roll-dovid !--Christophe Tesson - talk. 16:24, 13 January 2019 (EET)

[edit] Flashing labels ?

Salut hardi compagnon d'infortune !

Hello daring companion of misfortune! Some old strange french friendly salutation between hard-workers

Some users (in fact only one) complains, about a new behavior of trees in Rodovid: some labels with minimum info are flashing when "mouseover". For instance : fr:Personne:338853. When you "mouseover", label is flashing. I think it depends of browser.

Have any simple idea to fix this "flash" ? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:36, 27 January 2019 (EET)

  • Salut!

Hope, it's fixed. --Baya 23:12, 28 January 2019 (EET)

fr:User:Enjoymegrine said : Et le problème d'affichage me semble résolu. C'est parfait !!
(no more display troubles, it's perfect!!) - Thanks a lot ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 13:07, 29 January 2019 (EET)


[edit] Registrations

Hello !
I have lost the possibility of creating accounts for localisations other than RD FR and RD BR with the account Dn Gov, and for all localisations with my other account Dn-Gov.
I cleared the cache of my browser and re-validated my address but it did not change anything.
Is there a solution ? Dn Gov (d) 22:00, 2 February 2019 (EET)

  • Fixed. --Baya 20:38, 3 February 2019 (EET)
Thanks !
Christophe (Tesson) told me that he was in the same situation. Can you fix it for him too ?
Dn Gov (d) 02:00, 4 February 2019 (EET)
  • It was a common issue. --Baya 21:00, 4 February 2019 (EET)

[edit] French "Place:" pages

Priviit Baya!

It's a long time I didn't wrote any news.

We can proudly announce that all "Place:" pages located in nowadays France borders have been re-written! Almost 8000 pages…

  • Simplest pages look like that : fr:Lieu:Abainville (55).
    • There is a map for a rough localization
    • link to googlemaps for something more precise
    • link to Wikipédia
    • link to "Base Cassini", a really usefull university site from "EHESS" (high school for social studies, or social science, don't know exact translation. école des hautes études en sciences sociales).
    • Plus a link to "department archives site" for each town. I guess it's something typicaly french : (almost) complete archived parish or town registries scanned and free displayed on web. (How lucky we are!)
    • Plus "Who's cited here ?" template.
  • One step ahead, we have this : fr:Lieu:Bar-le-Duc (55)
    • It's the same template. You just can see that there is an added picture. So then, the rough localization is going up to the top of the box.
  • Most complex "Place:" pages may look like this : fr:Lieu:Tamerville (50)
    • Complete old style administration (before french revolution in 1789)
    • Nowadays administration, etc. etc.

So then it was easy to have a category of all these "Place:" pages : fr:Catégorie:France (toutes communes) usefull to check if any place have already registered or not.

Plus a test : where are big "Place:" pages ? They are here :

I'm not sure I have a good idea, but the purpose is for press : when they talk about Rodovid, it's place by place. (See : fr:Revue française de Généalogie 2016 (Revue de Presse-Rodovid). This means users have to check how many events have been registered for each 36000 french town in rodovid, and write it in special template for each "Place:" page. Rather complex, but usefull.

Anyway, it leads us to a nice information : new users are going much more faster than pionneers in Rodovid. See:

--Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:17, 11 June 2019 (EEST)


Salut Christophe!

It's a really huge amount of work. And results are great. I was thinking for couple of last months that somebody is doing something because of a server load is increased a bit. And now the enigma is open ))) I love the order (in appropriate places :). A unified presentation of content will simplify understanding and increase usability. It's a great work. Congratulations on completing of this process!

As I understand now you are processing english pages? ;)

Sincerely to all members of the process, --Baya 14:24, 11 June 2019 (EEST)


This was a very long cumulative process: map of France were drawn in 2009! It was not easy to put together all the ideas in only one unified presentation, because many users have tried their own ideas on particular "place:" pages.

For instance, the 102 french "departements" (something like a район) have their sets of three colors for design. So then it leads us to create 3*102 "colour templates". (from : fr:Modèle:01/Couleur/1 to fr:Modèle:976/Couleur/3).

The result is shown on this page fr:Aide:Charte graphique, started in 2011!

I'm sure the basic template for "Place:" pages could be more compact, but it works. fr:Modèle:Page Lieu France v3

In this template, when you type the 2 or 3 digits number of the "departement"

  1. you write the correct first sentance of the page : "<Place> is a town in the <departement>, in the <région>" (Région = область)
  2. you set the 3 colors of the box
  3. you set the correct map of France, with the localization.
  4. you set the link to "departement archive" site
  5. you set a link to the department "source machine" : special pages to create "source templates".
  6. you set the correct "departement" category

Not so bad for non professionals ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:17, 12 June 2019 (EEST)


Salut!

Of course I understand that this work have taken a much more time then couple of months :) I'm sorry that I wrote it so disambiguate. I have just supposed that the you have used recently some automation. If it was done without any automation it's a terrific. It's amazing. --Baya 17:48, 12 June 2019 (EEST)

Oh! You don't have to be sorry! I just forgot to type some :-) or )))
There was no automation! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 14:05, 13 June 2019 (EEST)

You, guys, are crazy )))))))) --Baya 15:19, 13 June 2019 (EEST)

nOt koMPleTLy KreZy, juST a biT. soRrY i HAve to eat mY piLLs, aS tHE maN WItH wHITe cOAt tOLD me.

Send regards to a man in a white coat ))))))))))))))) --Baya 21:24, 13 June 2019 (EEST)


[edit] Никольское

Прошу прощение за беспокойство!

Только один простой вопрос - в попытке навести порядок в одной из категорий мною обнаружена следующая странность - у места ru:Place:Никольское нет возможности ввести неоднозначность места и сделать соответствующий набор мест с разными описаниями. Я систематизирую категории мест по Орловской губернии и только в ней населенных пунктов с таким названием имелось несколько, что уж говорит про другие регионы. Если вернуть редактирование к той странице по каким либо причинам невозможно, пожалуйста подскажите, как ввести ru:Template:Неоднозначность места для этого названия?

  • На странице 10 лет назад была включена защита от правок. Отключил защиту. --Baya 17:20, 26 June 2019 (EEST)

Большое спасибо! Удачи!

[edit] Holiday work

[edit] Marriages

In some records of people who have been married twice, only one couple is shown, for example es:Person:1198026. Dn Gov (d) 01:00, 7 July 2019 (EEST)

  • fixed --Baya 20:48, 8 July 2019 (EEST)

[edit] Logs

In the recent changes (for example here yesterday), when logs are included, the description of the operation is sometimes not given (there are only the parenthesis). Dn Gov (d) 11:00, 6 July 2019 (EEST)

  • Unfortunately, I can't resolve it now. --Baya 17:52, 8 July 2019 (EEST)

[edit] Surnames

A user has started records with arabic surnames, but in the list of names they are shown in the line of the hebrew alphabet Dn Gov (d) 11:00, 6 July 2019 (EEST)

  • fixed --Baya 21:14, 8 July 2019 (EEST)

[edit] Accounts

I created a help page about new accounts and used automatic translation to start a draft. Can you correct the text? Dn Gov (d) 11:00, 6 July 2019 (EEST)

Thank you. By the way, the field "Search for a person by name" of the Relationships tab is supposed to provide a list of people with that name but I never managed to make it work since I became a member (I don't know if I am the only one). Dn Gov (d) 03:01, 9 July 2019 (EEST)
  • it does not work because of the text search is disabled (( --Baya 13:34, 10 July 2019 (EEST)

[edit] Search

The search field in the left side of a page has disappeared, maybe when the Ridni link was added. Is it possible to have it back? Dn Gov (d) 03:01, 9 July 2019 (EEST)

  • Do you mean the search form? The text search was disabled many years ago. So I have hidden the form. Or do you mean something else? --Baya 13:40, 10 July 2019 (EEST)
I was refering to the "search" field (with the two buttons) that can be seen on this archive image, under the navigation and the advanced search and above the toolbox. Dn Gov (d) 01:00, 11 July 2019 (EEST)
  • This form does not working... I just have hidden it. Do you suggest to show a non-working form? --Baya 10:16, 11 July 2019 (EEST)
Well, yes :))
It still worked for ordinary wiki pages, when you want to go quickly to a subcategory, a user page, a place, to create a page or even maybe find a name via Google. It can also be done with the search link of the special pages but it is less direct. Dn Gov (d) 01:00, 12 July 2019 (EEST)
  • Ooops, so many features. Restored. --Baya 09:37, 12 July 2019 (EEST)
 :) Dn Gov (d) 01:01, 13 July 2019 (EEST)

[edit] New french sysop ?

Salut Baya !

Did you have a nice summer ?

I would like to ask a new sysop in RD.FR : fr:Utilisateur:Mamonaku. Nice guy (or girl, I don't know). He's doing a tremendeous work : exhaustive transcription of parish and city records of Suze-la-Rousse, a nice village in Drôme, France : 12591 events today. I guess this transcription will be bigger than Tamerville in the end.

He is OK to help where he feels he can help. For instance modifying homepage : so he needs sysop rights. Could you please do this ?

Have a nice day ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 18:14, 22 August 2019 (EEST)


Salut Christophe!

Today I found that the autumn comes next week. ))) Not bad ))

Mamonaku has granted with sysop rights.

Have a nice evening ;) --Baya 21:28, 22 August 2019 (EEST)


Thanks a lot ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:50, 24 August 2019 (EEST)

[edit] How to write a link to «Special:Prefixindex&from=&namespace=1004» in the sidebar

Salut Yaroslav !

Mamonaku has good and great ideas, just as a beginner can have : it's realy strange that sidebar does not lead to a search tool for Clan-names (I know there is "Special:FamilyList", but the ergonomy is poor)

Though Mediawiki provides :

On this page looking for any clan leads directly to the desired "Clan:" page. (huh, ok in Rodovid.FR and Rodovid.EN, because all requested "Clan:" pages are created as soon as they are requested.)

So both of us, adding our ideas thought it could be a really good thing to write a link to these special pages in sidebar. Unfortunately I didn't find any correct syntax to do that.

Have you any idea ? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:50, 24 August 2019 (EEST)


Salut!

  1. Sidebar
  2. URL formater

--Baya 20:46, 25 August 2019 (EEST)


Great! Thanks a lot Maestro !

We made nice search pages for clans and places :

Direct link in the side bar ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 17:02, 26 August 2019 (EEST)

[edit] Help me please

Hello Baya,

How can we recover the person containing records like here ?:

I tested that https://fr.rodovid.org/wk/Special:Eventsviewer/p=Suze-la-Rousse_(26)&f=1820-09-29&t=1820-10-01&e=BIRT&o=date&Notes like '%inconnu%' but it's not good...

And i have find action=purge don't work with accented letters like : https://fr.rodovid.org/wk/Patronyme:Rivi%C3%A8re&action=purge

thank you for your help, and sorry, I do not speak English...--Mamonaku 18:03, 26 August 2019 (EEST)
fr:Utilisateur:Mamonaku


Hello Mamonaku,

1) Eventsviewer couldn't search through page content.

2) the question mark should be used instead of ampersand. https://fr.rodovid.org/wk/Patronyme:Rivi%C3%A8re?action=purge

welcome, we are mostly not the native speakers ))) thank you. --Baya 18:48, 3 September 2019 (EEST)


Thank you--Mamonaku 00:24, 7 September 2019 (EEST)

[edit] Impossible upload ?

Priviit Yaroslav !

Thanks again for fixing last crash of Rodovid ! But I think there's one more problem : it is impossible to upload a jpg nowadays. I'm not sure, but I have this message :

Internal error
Could not copy file "/usr/sites/_sessions/phpdxge3O" to "/usr/sites/rodvoid.org/images/1/1a/1663_-_Brix_-_Pierre_(Debaute).JPG".

Have you any Idea ? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 18:18, 14 September 2019 (EEST)



Salut Christophe!

Please check now. --Baya 09:30, 15 September 2019 (EEST)

Thank you maestro ! It's fixed ! This is the picture : some clan name impossible to read, even for french readers… Usefull in the "Person:" page : fr:Personne:1212855 --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:40, 15 September 2019 (EEST)



yeap ))) It can not be read symbol by symbol as for me. --Baya 14:25, 15 September 2019 (EEST)

[edit] Something really astounding

Import!
Import!

Priviit Yaroslav!

CharlesNepote has written a very interesting script, to import records from a Gedcom… huh, from Geneanet…

As you can see, the script modifies Rodovid interface with a field and a "import button! Amazing! Because it works, you just have to paste URL of a geneanet page, and click on import…

I guess Charles will have lots of question for you.

What do you think of that?

Try to translate discussion page : fr:Rodovid FR:Discussion#Script pour faciliter l'import de données Geneweb/Geneanet sur Rodovid --Christophe Tesson - talk. 17:57, 25 September 2019 (EEST)

[edit] Something else, really amazing

Priviit Yaroslav.

French users are creative theses days. Jean-Pierre Rimsky-Korsakoff has build this video :

This looks like a manual for Rodovid, unfortunately he wrote it for his familly…

I've asked him authorization to publish it on front page and help page. I hop he will agree ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 19:22, 6 October 2019 (EEST)


Salut Christophe!

The long and nice video. But, really, I think it is for private usage )) But who knows... --Baya 20:17, 6 October 2019 (EEST)

[edit] Croudfunding for Rodovid Development

Hi, as I realized recently, although outstanding in its concept and community efforts, Rodovid is a totally enthusiasm based platform. So why not try to harness the power of the community and sustain resources for further platform development? Let's say start a Boomstarter campaign to raise some funds to compensate Mr. Baya's skills and time, say for long awaited GEDCOM import? --Yarmakhov 18:42, 21 January 2020 (EET)

OK! how do we do ? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 18:32, 22 January 2020 (EET)

Hi Christophe! To begin with, it would be nice to know what Baya thinks about it and if he is ready to embark on such project. The second step would be to figure out how much money should be raised. And finally we need to define what resources we have to get it rolling! - --Yarmakhov 18:58, 23 January 2020 (EET)


Salut Boris & Christophe,

It's an interesting idea. I have stopped thinking about any money compensation for my time and efforts spent for RD long time ago. Generally I have done the Rodovid for myself. Currently I'm involved into the other project. And till this May I'll not have any free time. Let's get back to this question after May. --Baya 21:26, 23 January 2020 (EET)

Thanks for responding Baya. We understand that you are involved in other projects, we all must feed our families after all ) May seems to be quite a realistic time frame. Just one request to start the process in the background. How much of your time will GEDCOM export\development take? Christophe, can you drop me an email to yarmakhov@gmail.com ? I'd like to discuss a couple of things with you. --Yarmakhov 09:46, 24 January 2020 (EET)


Sorry, I can't estimate it now. --Baya 12:18, 24 January 2020 (EET)

[edit] Purging history?

Priviit Yaroslav !

I hope everything is OK for you…

A question from fr:Discussion Utilisateur:Enjoymegrine

  • Is it possible to purge the history of a file?

History is sometime a big problem when peoples want to get anonymous in Rodovid. It's possible to read records, even if they became empty with "history".

Do you have any idea? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 11:52, 20 April 2020 (EEST)



Salut Christophe!

There are no such functionality. --Baya 12:29, 21 April 2020 (EEST)

 ;-( --Christophe Tesson - talk. 15:10, 22 April 2020 (EEST)

[edit] Encouragements

Priviit !

I had a message from en:User talk:Florpis this morning. I copy paste a part of it, because it's encouragements for you :

This website has been the best layout I had found when I started inputting many of the geneolgies I had lying around from my ancestors. Still a nice site. Although the search function does have its issues, and some features of the wiki-input style are cumbersome ... I really appreciate options and family tree display.

Have a nice day ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 11:22, 24 April 2020 (EEST)


Salut, thank you and Florpis for your kind words )) I'm really glad to have a such feedback. A nice day for you! --Baya 11:57, 24 April 2020 (EEST)

[edit] Colors of the leaves

Hi Baya, The colors of the leaves (https://fr.rodovid.org/wk/Special:Tree/23299) are often too dark, so the text can't be read. I also notice that there is a lot of blue shades, and few yellow ones, which makes it even more difficult, as the links are in blue. Could this be improved? Thanks for keeping Rodovid alive, and best regards, Yann 19:04, 13 May 2020 (EEST)


Hi Yann,

bellow the colors that are used. If you want, please, give me a desired list. --Baya 20:35, 14 May 2020 (EEST)

'#66CDAA', '#DE8887', '#9ACD32', '#D2691E', '#7FFF00', '#6495ED', '#FFEBCD', '#5F9EA0',
'#B8860B', '#DC143C', '#FF7F50', '#A9A9A9', '#FFF8DC', '#BDB76D', '#FF8C00', '#00FFFF',
'#9932CC', '#E9967A', '#7FFFD4', '#8FBC8F', '#00CED1', '#FF1493', '#00BFFF', '#1E90FF',
'#B22222', '#228B22', '#FF00FF', '#DCDCDC', '#FFD700', '#DAA520', '#808080', '#008000',
'#ADFF2F', '#FF69B4', '#CD5C5C', '#FFFFF0', '#F0E68C', '#E6E6FA', '#FFF0F5', '#7CFC00',
'#FFFACD', '#ADD8E6', '#F08080', '#E0FFFF', '#FAFAD2', '#90EE90', '#D3D3D3', '#FFFF00',
'#FFB6C1', '#FFA07A', '#20B2AA', '#87CEFA', '#778899', '#B0C4DE', '#FFFFE0', '#00FF00',
'#32CD32', '#FAF0F6', '#BA55D3', '#9370DB', '#3CB371', '#7B68EE', '#00FA9A', '#48D1CC',
'#C71585', '#FFE4E1', '#FFE4B5', '#FFDEAD', '#FDF5E6', '#808000', '#6B8E23', '#FFA500',
'#FF4500', '#DA70D6', '#EEE8AA', '#98FB98', '#AFEEEE', '#DB7093', '#FFEFD5', '#FFDAB9',
'#CD853F', '#FFC0CB', '#DDA0DD', '#B0E0E6', '#FF0000', '#BC8F8F', '#4169E1', '#FA8072',
'#F4A460', '#2E8B57', '#FFE5EE', '#A0522D', '#87CEEB', '#6A5ACD', '#708090', '#00FF7F',
# '#C0C0C0', unknown color
# '#FFFFFF', sister color
'#4682B4', '#D2B48C', '#008080', '#FAEBD7', '#F0F8FF', '#F0FFFF', '#D8BFD8', '#FF6347',
'#40E0D0', '#EE82EE', '#F5DEB3', '#F5F5F5', '#FFE4C4', '#FFFAF0', '#F8F8FF', '#F0FFF0',
'#F5F5DC', '#696969', '#A52A2A', '#9400D3', '#8A2BE2', '#006400', '#8B008B', '#556B2F',
'#8B0000', '#483D8B', '#2F4F4F', '#4B0082', '#800000', '#0000CD', '#191970', '#000080',
'#00008B', '#800080', '#8B4513',

Hi, I didn't see your answer. Thanks for responding. I would replace the darker colors with more shades of yellow between #FFF000 and #D0FF00. I would avoid #800000, #800080, #483D8B, #556B2F, #00008B, #008080, #006400, #0000CD, #000080, #008000, #8B008B, #696969, #9400D3, etc. Regards, Yann 21:49, 10 February 2021 (EET)

  • )) --Baya 22:00, 10 February 2021 (EET)
  • as you wish, just give me, please, a full list. --Baya 23:29, 10 February 2021 (EET)
  • Here there are:
  • to be replaced:
#800000, #800080, #483D8B, #556B2F, #00008B, #008080, #006400, #0000CD, #000080, #008000, #8B008B, #696969, #9400D3, #8B4513, #4B0082, #808000, #8A2BE2
  • by:
#FFFFE6, #FFFFCC, #FFFFB3, #FFFF80, #D0FF00, #E6FFE6, #FFE6FF, #E6E600, #CCCC00, #F2F2D9, #F6F6D5, #E6FFCC, #CCFF99, #F9E2D2, #F4E6FF, #FFFF66, #E6D2F9
Also it would be great if the algorith can choose very differents colors for a couple (not 2 shades of blue, green, or red). Best regards, Yann 14:41, 12 February 2021 (EET)


  • Thank you. I'll replace them on weekend. I'll think about couple color choosing ... --Baya 15:26, 12 February 2021 (EET)
  • Hi, Any news? Regards, Yann 18:15, 27 February 2021 (EET)
  • Hi, When do you plan to do this? Regards, Yann 10:29, 9 March 2021 (EET)
  • I have replaced colors. Please check if it's now ok. --Baya 20:33, 14 March 2021 (EET)
  • Yes, much better! Thanks a lot! Yann 14:45, 15 March 2021 (EET)

[edit] Sysop request

Hi Baya,

I hope you have been well. I am interested in returning to help out with Rodovid. I will not be as active as I was in 2007-2010, but I intend to check in regularly and see where I can help.

Can you please restore my sysop powers so that I can edit interface messages, delete all pages, etc.? Wikiacc () 17:19, 8 August 2020 (EEST)


  • Hi! Nice to see you here. You are ;) --Baya 14:29, 11 August 2020 (EEST)
    • Thank you! If you have suggestions for where I can be most helpful, let me know. Wikiacc () 19:37, 18 August 2020 (EEST)

[edit] Добрий день / Доброго дня

Some questions :

[edit] Sysop

Wikiacc was probably talking about his situation on the English localization, where his status was cancelled (along thirteen others) in August 2017. Dn Gov (d) 15:00, 12 August 2020 (EEST)

  • sorry, I have checked the rights at engine instead of en. Done. [1] --Baya 10:10, 14 August 2020 (EEST)

[edit] Greetings

In the mails sent to Rodovid from Ukraine, is there a difference between "Добрий день" and "Доброго дня" ? Dn Gov (d) 15:00, 12 August 2020 (EEST)

  • Usually they use "Добрий день". The difference is: "Добрий день" means the fact that the day is good. "Доброго дня" means to give a wish to the day be good. --Baya 10:10, 14 August 2020 (EEST)

[edit] Azelin

br:Person:1009803 is shown under the clan name "Ađelin" (with a đ) and this is the same for all his children, which is not normal for his two daughters because in their records the clan name top of the page is "Azelin" (with a z). Purging the pages does not change anything. Dn Gov (d) 15:00, 12 August 2020 (EEST)

  • To detect a clan value all translations of the clan are used. And the most usable name is used as the clan name. See br:Lignez:Ađelin - the "Azelin" is a french translation of "Ađelin". --Baya 10:10, 14 August 2020 (EEST)

[edit] Latin alphabet

In the list of surnames, the Latin alphabet is given without the capitalized T and the capitalized Z (except on Engine). Dn Gov (d) 15:00, 12 August 2020 (EEST)

  • I don't remember exactly but I think it maybe connected how a clan value is detected. So the lower and upper case can be mixed. --Baya 10:10, 14 August 2020 (EEST)

[edit] Cyrillic alphabet

For example with the letter А the surnames are listed in the order
Ассинги - Ауновские, then
Ашурок - Ашеевы,
Атюшины - Ачерра,
Ахулковы - Ащевы,
Ар - Арепьевы,
Аароны - Апели
(or the countries). The same problem that already occurred on 12 February 2017. Dn Gov (d) 15:00, 12 August 2020 (EEST)

  • Unfortunately, I have started to use the wrong collation at beginning and it's still in use. --Baya 10:10, 14 August 2020 (EEST)

OK. Доброго дня -) Dn Gov (d) 11:01, 14 August 2020 (EEST)

[edit] Блокировка, как участника.

Здравствуйте, Бая! Объясните, почему блокируют меня , как участника проекта, когда я пытаюсь редактировать записи, созданные мною, в соответствии с новыми правилами сайта? Например: https://ru.rodovid.org/wk/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8C:312738 Мне нужно убрать всех ныне живущих родственников, которые требуют убрать записи об их персонах на сайте. С уважением, Irina, участник(заблокированный) Aniri. IP: 50.53.47.163

Анири, вы не заблокированы, но некоторые созданные вами записи были изменены другими пользователями (см. Вкладку «История» на каждой странице). В таком случае вы должны попросить одного из администраторов удалить эти страницы (например, Dionys, который вам уже ответил). - Dn Gov (d) 12:00, 13 November 2020 (EET)

  • В какой-то из локализаций этот ник заблокирован. Причина блокировки указана.
  • Про удаление записей вам ответил пользователь Dn Gov.
  • Указанная здесь запись удалена.
  • Этим "новым" правилам уже лет десять.
  • Это бесплатный, свободный ресурс. Никто ничем вам здесь не обязан. Будьте добры ведите себя достойно.
  • Еще раз прошу вас внимательно прочитать текст на красном фоне.

--Baya 12:50, 19 December 2020 (EET)

[edit] No news ?

Privit Baya !

It's a long time you don't give any news. We're worying about you, specialy in covid times. Are you ok? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:26, 1 December 2020 (EET)


-- Salut Christophe!

I'm ok. Thank you. And with occasion I wish you and all RD members and all our families best wishes )) --Baya 12:42, 19 December 2020 (EET)

It's nice to read you! Happy new year to you and yours ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 15:18, 19 December 2020 (EET)

)) --Baya 20:33, 19 December 2020 (EET)

[edit] What about a new logo ?

Something like that ? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 18:46, 7 February 2021 (EET)

  • It's a beautiful idea, but requires an additonal work. --Baya 19:24, 9 February 2021 (EET)

[edit] Lots of events on RodovidFR, and some questions

Priviit Baya !

It's nice to read you.

There are several big projects nowadays on Rodovid FR:

I hope Google Translate will help you to have a little idea about these works.

So I have 3 questions!

  1. What kind of additional work do you wish about Logo ?  ;-)
  2. Do you think there's any trick to strictly align an infobox above your "In other languages" box ? (See: fr:Patronyme:Dusaulx) I've found the answer…
  3. We have a problem with our"Place:" pages. EHESS (High School for Social Studies) has changed their web adress. Is it possible for you (have you enough time if possible) to change this string:
  • http://cassini.ehess.fr/cassini/fr/html/fiche.php?select_resultat=

to this other one :

  • http://cassini.ehess.fr/fr/html/fiche.php?select_resultat=

??? If you can do this, we'll don't have to do it 9000 times, with hands…

How is the wether in Kiev ?

Take care of you ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 00:50, 15 February 2021 (EET)



Salut Christophe!

  1. It's tremendous work. I had an idea to do it in an automatic way (the clan key is an important point - over translations we can see variants ...). But you are doing this manually!!!
  2. You suggest the picture as an idea. I understand (a bit:) ) the french manner - to left all details as is. But could it be simplified to became a model not a picture? Please try to shrink it to 155x155 px. As a variant for a poster - it's good. But when we minify it ... Let's use it.
  3. cassini - I'll do it with a script on weekends (but maybe not on nearest, I have too many work last time ...)
  4. The beautiful!! Amazing!! Breathtaking!!! We have the snow!! Already the second week is coming with snow!!! The best weather per week for last 10 years (as for me). Snow, frost & sun. It's realy beatiful. )))

Be healthy and your family too. --Baya 09:44, 19 February 2021 (EET)


  1. It's better manually, because of particular unbelievable french way to write words. All these clan names :
  • Du Sault
  • Du Saulx
  • Dusaux
  • Dusaulx
  • Dussault
  • Dussaulx
  • Dussaux

are given to the same familly. And sometimes :

  • Sceau
  • Sault
  • Saulx
  • Saux
  • etc.

plus, probably lots of other variants, Seau, Sot, Ceau, Dussot, Dusseau. All these writings are prononced the same way : "Dü So" or "So". Geneanet, which try to make this automaticaly, gives inconsistant answers about clan names variants ;-))

2) See above thumb
3) Thanks a looooooooot !
4) At least good news !

--Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:47, 19 February 2021 (EET)

[edit] Help needed - HTML and Wiki syntax

Priviit!

Some interesting questions about "Clan:" pages : see Lineage:Test1.

When you have some time to loose :-) --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:17, 20 February 2021 (EET)

[edit] PDF documents

Hi, Would it be possible to allow uploading PDF documents? I got notary records in PDF format from a private source, and it would be very useful to upload them to Rodovid. Regards, Yann 10:31, 9 March 2021 (EET)

No need to upload .pdf. You just have to extract inserted .jpg files of the .pdf, and to upload them.
If you don't have the soft to do that, I can help ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:55, 9 March 2021 (EET)

[edit] Cassini

Thanks a lot, maestro! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 21:27, 14 March 2021 (EET)

[edit] Sources

Hello!
When I delete all sources from a record (either an old page or a new translation from an existing page), all sources (even if they are different) seem to be deleted from all other linguistic versions.
That is what I tested here (new translation) and here (old page). Dn Gov (d) 19:01, 12 April 2021 (EEST)


  • yes, the all parts of record (links, events, source, etc) are common accross all translations. If it was removed in one localisation it will be removedd from all other. --Baya 17:21, 15 April 2021 (EEST)


OK :-)
It is better indeed if users know that they must be careful. Dn Gov (d) 22:01, 16 April 2021 (EEST)

This behaviour is from beggining. The global idea is: the only one common DB with many possible translations. --Baya 12:22, 17 April 2021 (EEST)

[edit] Partnership with "Wikimanche"

Priviit Yaroslav !

How are you ?

There are good news in RD.FR : a starting partnership with Wikimanche (WM).

This is a wiki devoted to "Manche" french department (raïon). It is hold by a strong "association" (non-profit organisation) with public subventions. Something really serious.

In practice, we start with links between each Manche "Place:" page in RD and their equivalent in WM. Boom : more than 400 links to RD !

We will develop links between personalities in both Wiki, nowadays maybe 100 links.

The purpose is to find new users for both wikis !

So this is really good news.

They do ask one thing : is it possible to share Images with them through "Commons" ? I do not know if it's possible.

Best wishes. --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:34, 25 April 2021 (EEST)


Salut Christophe,

thank you I'm fine ))

I remeber about an existing of the "Common" mechanism in Mediawiki. But, unfortunately, I do not remeber how it works. If I'm not mistake if somw wiki wants to use the other wik images, a such wiki should specially configured. Anyway may they try to configure it and if some actions are required from me, inform me about it. --Baya 09:50, 29 April 2021 (EEST)

Hi Baya, It would be great to be able to use Commons images in Rodovid. I did enable this feature in my own personal website with Mediawiki (it is called InstantCommons), but that was around 15 years ago... So it is certainly possible, but Mediawiki has changed so much since then, so I have no idea how to do it now. Best regards, Yann 12:33, 30 April 2021 (EEST)
me too )) --Baya 11:01, 6 May 2021 (EEST)

[edit] Update MediaWiki?

Hi Baya, I notice that our MW version is 1.9.3. Unfortunately version 1.14 or later is needed to use the latest version of Pywikibot (compatible with Python3). Using older Pywikibot versions with Python2 is a pain in the ass. :( Would it be possible to update MW? Thanks, Yann 17:01, 3 May 2021 (EEST)

  • unfortunately, now I don't have any time for this (( --Baya 11:03, 6 May 2021 (EEST)

[edit] Wikimanche

They've done it ! Each place page of Wikimanche has a link to each same "Place:" of Rodovid.FR ! See, for instance Valognes in WM. --Christophe Tesson - talk. 15:38, 6 May 2021 (EEST)

  • That's good! Has RD the link to their pages? --Baya 21:23, 6 May 2021 (EEST)

[edit] Can I become an admin?

When I watched page [Admin Page], i found an Indonesian admins was passive. From that situation, i want to become an admin. Can I?

It could be a good idea. After all, you are a member since 2011.
Typically, an administrator can / must :
- Watch recent edits of users
- Help new users
- Ensure that wrong informations and advertising are removed
- Delete incorrect or duplicate pages
- Block users who refuse to follow the rules
- Translate the page of Rules
- Create missing pages (on a voluntary basis) for places and surnames
Dn Gov (d) 15:00, 20 May 2021 (EEST)



Hello, Jupa!

I hope I choose an appropriate name to call you )) (Maybe you can write a bit info what naming system do you use in Indonesia?)

What do think about the points mentioned by Dn Gov? --Baya 08:53, 21 May 2021 (EEST)

I'm glad to hear this news. And my nickname is Julian, and my user page is Smallest87.
I was surprised to see more menus on my page today. And I think, this is the answer that my application to become an admin has been accepted.
Allow me to do the point by point Dn Gov asks. 19:58, 22 May 2021 (EEST)

[edit] Some Corrections/New Translation in Indonesian page

I found some word was missing, and couldn't show as right text:

<Rd_addrecordinfo> -- Foto & Referensi
<Rd_relations> -- Relasi
<Rd_tip> -- Apa ini?
<rd_hidesourcedetails> -- Sembunyikan detail
<Rd_personnewedittext> -- Menyunting Orang Baru

Page: RdLanguageId.php --Julian Sukrisna 21:02, May, 23 2021 (EEST)


Hello Julian, you are the sysop now [2]. And it means tha t you can add this translations directly by RD interface. --Baya 12:41, 25 May 2021 (EEST)

The page RdLanguageId.php is just an old reflections of system messages. --Baya 12:43, 25 May 2021 (EEST)


I really appreciate you for granting access rights to me as a sysop.

However, regarding the translation into Indonesian, I get several problems.

When I open RdLanguageId.php at https://engine.rodovid.org/wk/RdLanguageId.php, there is no edit menu. I only see view source and I see the message -This page has been locked to prevent editing.- inside it.

I want to say, don't I really know how to use it? or are there certain access rights that have not been granted to me? Thank you.

--Julian Sukrisna 19:58, 25 May 2021 (EEST)


I have granted sysop rights to you also in the RD.engine. But! The page RdLanguageId.php is just an old reflections of system messages. And any changes of this page does not change the system messages. The id:Special:Allmessages should be used for such actions. --Baya 18:05, 26 May 2021 (EEST)


Okay, i will remember that. And i want to say thank you. --Julian Sukrisna 18.31, 26 May 2021 (EEST)



Welcome! )) --Baya 21:33, 26 May 2021 (EEST)

[edit] New sysop for RD.NL ?

Priviit Baya

How are you ? Are you still too busy ?

I guess it could be a good idea to give Sysop rights to nl:User:Carsrac. He seems realy familiar with MediaWiki, and all of these WikiThings.

He could install "advanced search" (Events viewer) in his localisation. What do you think ? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:59, 23 June 2021 (EEST)

I have granted the sysop rights to user nl:User:Carsrac. --Baya 09:32, 25 June 2021 (EEST)
I know a little about Wikimedia, Wikidata, Wikipedia and did run a bot on almost all the wikipedia's (interwiki bot), but with the introduction of wikidata interwiki bots was not longer needed. And yes I know a little about genealogy (I was a Curator at Geni.com). I really should become a member of my local wikimedia chapter again. But my time is limited. Carsrac 12:29, 3 July 2021 (EEST)


[edit] Orest

Salut Christophe,

we have a new family member ))) He is named Orest. Yep, it's too much work ((
--Baya 09:32, 25 June 2021 (EEST)

Congratulations / Mazel Tov to Orest ! (Good news after your flue.)
In English, it was predictable that he would give you « no rest » :-)
Just to be sure : is it possible to rename an account (changing the name of a contributor even in the history pages) ? It is something that interested 0661814071 a few weeks ago. Dn Gov (d) 19:01, 28 June 2021 (EEST)
Oh! I didn't understand ! Welcome to Orest ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:50, 29 June 2021 (EEST)

Thank you ))

The account can be renamed. And it will be shown everywhere with the new value. But all old links to the old name become red. So an additional redirect should be created to avoid a such situation (?). --Baya 09:45, 2 July 2021 (EEST)


Hello Baya ! Member: Dn Gov advised you to contact you about changing your name from 0661814071 to Анатолий Родовик. I would be very grateful for your help! Sincerely, Anatoly. (Здравствуйте Baya ! Участник:Dn Gov посоветовал к вам обратится по поводу смены имени аккаунта с 0661814071 на Анатолий Родовик. Буду вам очень признателен за помощь! С Уважением Анатолий.) --0661814071 11:34, 4 July 2021 (EEST)

-- постараюсь выделить время --Baya 09:29, 13 July 2021 (EEST)

[edit] Partnership with "Wikimanche" (one more time)

Priviit Yaroslav !

How is Orest ? Does he sleep all night ?

Some words about "Wikimanche" and "RodovidFR" :

  • RD-FR now have a complete list of "Place:" pages in Manche, where there was parish or civil records, with at least 1 event for each page (max= 32000 events average 95). This is a list of 712 places. Each one has its picture (because of Wikimanche pictures stock)
    This is only one french departement among 100 !
  • Because there are several exhaustive transcriptions of parish records in Manche, it's now possible to compare them. We have an exemple on this page : fr:Mortalité comparée Tamerville - Teurthéville-Bocage. I guess this demonstrates the passage of an epidemic in the area in 1767 / 1773. This is possible to measure it with Rodovid capabilities !
  • There's a lot of events in RD-FR. We're trying to provoque meetings with "Zoom". Will you join us one of these days ?

Have a nice day old friend ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 09:00, 14 July 2021 (EEST)


Salut Christophe!

  • Thank you, he sleeps good and not only at night ))
  • You have done a huge and amazing work!! To build some report system on RD - it's one of my dreams.
  • Yep, I think it'll be interesting to make a meeting. Please, send me info by email.

Have a nice day too :) --Baya 15:12, 15 July 2021 (EEST)


  • So then, Orest is a nice guy !
  • I do think that Rodovid strength is in these capabilities. No other genealogy site can do these kind of statistics… In fact I don't care anymore about trees. What do we get knowing our ancestors ? Almost nothing. But learning about our trees learns us lots of historical (and statistical) things about peoples. Your dream is exactly a good idea ! And this is mine, but it means lots of users, and lots of time
  • I guess that one of big question of video-meetings will be : how do we make Rodovid persistent ? We have solutions for France, but worlwide, it's a big question… It's time to ask this question, don't you think so ? You had a too good idea old friend ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 19:14, 15 July 2021 (EEST)



  • Thank you ;) --Baya 19:34, 15 July 2021 (EEST)
  • I'm ready to discuss anything about rodovid )) (unfortunately, not very often, because of my current work). Let's choose the time and do the best meeting )) I think it can be open for anybody who'll read about it. --Baya 19:37, 15 July 2021 (EEST)

Everybody in France is in vacation, far from their computers in july and august. So we're just trying to have a meeting between 3 to 5 peoples before august, just testing "Zoom". If you're OK, I guess we will invite you on august or september… I think I can find a (russian) translator :-). Maybe she will say "Priviet" instead of "Priviit" ! (We will not talk about "Kiiv" or "Kiev" ah ah) My english may almost work writing, but my speaking is really rusty ! So, let's see !

In french we say : "je secoue le cocotier" (I shake the coconut tree) this means I hope that RodovidFR coconuts will fall down and give some new fruits. Huh, not so easy, but we're close to gather real people instead of users. This is a huge thing. --Christophe Tesson - talk. 20:09, 16 July 2021 (EEST)



  • Ok, I'm ready for zoom. For me the best time is any evening (17:00 - 20:00 UTC). --Baya 12:08, 20 July 2021 (EEST)

[edit] Block

I've blocked en:User:Anna Maria Serafima Sergeevna Raevskaya-Repnina on RD.EN, looking like Almoustine. We don't need such users… :-( --Christophe Tesson - talk. 19:12, 18 July 2021 (EEST)

[edit] Protection

A new user, Aliawijaya, is having a problem after the creation of her first records : she has sent a picture showing that she is connected as member, but that Rodovid is telling her that the pages are protected, without a possibility for her to edit them. It happens for her both in English and in Indonesian.
Do you have an idea?
Dn Gov (d) 11:00, 15 August 2021 (EEST)

  • what pages the user wants to edit? --Baya 08:42, 16 August 2021 (EEST)
She wanted to continue editing the records of her tree, and the photo given as example was this page.
Dn Gov 09:43, 16 August 2021 (EEST)


I see nothing special with these pages. Maybe she is using other localization or something else? --Baya 18:04, 24 August 2021 (EEST)

Last time, I asked her if she could edit discussion pages, but she did not answer. I will try to recontact her. Dn Gov (d) 15:00, 25 August 2021 (EEST)
What about the change of username asked on 4 July? Dn Gov (d) 15:00, 25 August 2021 (EEST)

[edit] Reviewing

One some days (it is not regular), a kind of reset happens in the page for the recent changes, and the previous edits are not shown any more. Reviewing changes becomes a bit tricky on these days.
You can see that in several languages :
English : nothing before July 9 at 12:35 (only some 320 changes)
Indonesian : nothing before July 17 at 15:05 (only some 330 changes)
Portughese : nothing before July 17 at 00:01 (only some 490 changes)
Ukrainian : nothing before August 19 at 13:24 (only some 460 changes)
French : nothing before August 20 at 06:37 (only some 230 changes)
Russian : nothing before August 20 at 03:34 (only some 350 changes)
The same thing happens on the same day for the New pages
Dn Gov (d) 13:00, 17 August 2021 (EEST)


  • If I'm not mistaken it's a mediawiki normal behavior. The recentchanges table is clearing regularly. (I do not remember the rules) --Baya 18:03, 24 August 2021 (EEST)
Maybe the reset is more frequent in the languages where users are more active. By comparison, the recent changes show 2700 edits in Georgian and 4500 edits in Lituanian. Dn Gov (d) 15:00, 25 August 2021 (EEST)
  • by time, not by records count --Baya 22:38, 21 September 2021 (EEST)

[edit] Problem of Research

Hello, Small problem: if I search for (it's just an example) marriages in Suze-la-Rousse (26) between 01-01-1871 and 01-01-1872 I get 9 results, but there are 13: are missing Famille:328302, Famille:328300, Famille:328292 and Famille:328286 I do not know why. Thank you --Mamonaku 10:48, 21 August 2021 (EEST)

  • Thank you, I'll look for what is it. --Baya 19:55, 24 August 2021 (EEST)

[edit] Ссылки на Wikidata

Уважаемый Ярослав!

Я являюсь активным пользователя Вашего сайта «Родовод» и считаю его лучшим программным продуктом в области генеалогии. Большое Вам спасибо за бескорыстное создание и поддержку «Родовода».

Хочу обратить внимание на развитие проекта «Wikidata» https://www.wikidata.org родственного для популярного проекта «Wikipedia».

«Wikidata» является успешной попыткой создания системы структурного хранения данных всевозможных объектов и субъектов очень широкого профиля. С 2013 года «Wikidata» разрослась до 100 миллионов элементов с 10000 свойствами. В частности «Wikidata» используются для хранения генеалогических данных, которые можно использовать в других приложениях. В качестве примера, посмотрите на дерево предков Льва Николаевича Толстого на «Википедии»: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Толстой,_Лев_Николаевич (в разделе Биография/Происхождение кликнуть на «показать» в строке «Толстой, Лев Николаевич - предки») Соответствующая страница Льва Николаевича Толстого на «Wikidata» : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7243 Многие персоны на «Wikidata» (как например Лев Толстой) уже имеют идентификационные ссылки (Identifiers) на «Родовод». «Родовод» по своей концепции, программному обеспечению и происхождению родственен проектам «Wikipedia» и «Wikidata». В частности «Родовод» уже имеет специальное поле для ссылки на «Wikipedia». Мне кажется, что рядом со ссылкой на «Wikipedia» необходимо разместить специальное поле для ссылки на «Wikidata». Это позволит при будущем развитии «Родовода» при необходимости легко получать структурированную информацию из «Wikidata». Если это сделать невозможно, то альтернативное решение будет вводить ссылки на «Wikidata» в одном из источников. Но это решение гораздо хуже, поскольку разные пользователи могут использовать разные форматы ввода ссылки и для использования данных «Родоводу» придется перебирать несколько источников в поисках ссылки на «Wikidata» . Каково Ваше мнение? С наилучшими пожеланиями, Александр Розанов PS Если Вы не возражаете, я могу разместить это предложение на английском и французском языках. --alexandre 19:16, 16 September 2021 (EEST)


спасибо за добрые слова. У всех записей в закладке "Дополнительно" есть поле "Идентификаторы". Просто добавьте туда еще один идентификатор в формате:

wikidata::Q7243

--Baya 13:42, 20 September 2021 (EEST)


Спасибо за это решение. Я попробовал на персонаже [3] и ввел идентификатор wikidata:Q108607358 В результате клик мыши на идентификатор не пересылает на элемент в Wikidata, но предлагает создать рекорд Source:Wikidata:Q108607358 Чтобы иметь мышиный доступ к элементу в Wikidata, я поместил внутрь Source:Wikidata:Q108607358 ссылку "https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q108607358]" и записал его. После этого элемент в Wikidata доступен двумя последовательными кликами (сначала на "wikidata:Q108607358", потом на "[1]"). Правильно ли я сделал? Или есть другое более простое решение с одним кликом? --alexandre 14:24, 21 September 2021 (EEST)



wikidata::Q7243

двойное двоеточие. Я позже добавлю генерацию линка. --Baya 22:36, 21 September 2021 (EEST)

[edit] визуализация

Вы Ярослав Бойчук? (Участник:Dn Gov предложил обсудить с Вами некоторые спорные моменты визуализации деревьев родословных.) --Gorvzavodru 08:47, 21 October 2021 (EEST)


Здравствуйте, да, это я ))

  • черные - самая обычная связь в ТЕКУЩЕМ СОБРАННОМ дереве (родители в поколении "-1")
  • синие - в ТЕКУЩЕМ СОБРАННОМ дереве, родитель находится в том же поколении "0", что и ребенок)
  • оранжевые - в ТЕКУЩЕМ СОБРАННОМ родитель находится в поколении не равном "0" или "-1".

при изменении количества показываемых поколений в дереве, цвет связи может и будет меняться.

  • пунктиром обозначены связи, по которым существует несколько источников, или источники вызывают сомнения (можно отключить в настройках включение таких связей в дерево)
  • точками обозначены связи, которые, возможно, такими есть, источников нет, и следует проводить расследования (можно отключить в настройках включение таких связей в дерево)

ЗЫ по поводу оранжевых и синих. Они никоим образом НЕ являются признаком несоответствия. В моем личном пространстве деревьев есть дети, родители которых являются "прадедушкой и правнучкой для друг друга". Из-за того что возраст матери/отца может колебаться от ~12 до ~80 должно быть понятно, что окажутся родители в одном поколении или в разных зависит от способа построения дерева. Например, можно вначале построить дерево в глубину, а можно в ширину, и т.д. Поэтому эти цвета являются просто номинальными и интересными. Это УСЛОВНОЕ расположение связанных людей на дереве.

ЗЗЫ Всегда следует проверять ТОЛЬКО место рождения, и АДЕКВАТНОСТЬ соответствия даты рождений ребенка и родителя. Номер поколения в ТЕКУЩЕМ СОБРАННОМ дереве (т.е. цвет линии) НЕ является НИ достаточным, НИ необходимым параметром. --Baya 09:26, 21 October 2021 (EEST)

спасибо за информационное сообщение. (о некоторых нюансах сказанного я ранее только догадывался)
а вопрос, который хочу задать: Вы готовы к некоторой дискуссии о концептуальном подходе к визуализации деревьев или текущее состояние Вы находите оптимальным и окончательно итоговым? --Gorvzavodru 09:42, 21 October 2021 (EEST)

[edit] варианты

Готов, но не ожидайте, пожалуйста, что я смогу что-то сделать (как минимум в ближайшее время) (( --Baya 10:02, 21 October 2021 (EEST)

  • как говорится - "кто никуда не торопится - тот никогда не опаздывает". Полагаю, время ни в коей мере не является лимитирующим фактором.
  • мне представляется, возможен лучший подход к визуализации деревьев. Веер возможных вариантов - тут достаточно широк. Детальный анализ возможностей я бы предложил оставить на чуть попозже. Предлагается: давайте сначала я изложу подход, который (на текущий момент) кажется мне наиболее выгодным. --Gorvzavodru 10:39, 21 October 2021 (EEST)
  • оставив в стороне аргументацию, пока просто кратко изложу суть: мне кажется интересным подход, при котором прямоугольники персонажей, в проблемных ситуациях, удлиняются на необходимую величину. Собственно, т.н. "технологические персонажи" и являются попыткой на конкретных примерах посмотреть, что получится из попытки реализации такого подхода. И, на мой взгляд, результаты попытки - весьма многообещающи. --Gorvzavodru 10:43, 21 October 2021 (EEST)
  • другой вариант того-же - удлинять линию от отца к ребёнку на недостающую длину - нехорош в ситуации когда женщина являлась женой одновременно и отца и сына.--Gorvzavodru 10:48, 21 October 2021 (EEST)

нарисуйте примеры деревьев. Я не понимаю, что и как вы хотите удлинять --Baya 15:05, 22 October 2021 (EEST)

Хорошо. По какому каналу лучше направить картинки? --Gorvzavodru 14:44, 24 October 2021 (EEST)
upload to engine.rodovid.org --Baya 16:04, 24 October 2021 (EEST)
ок --Gorvzavodru 21:00, 24 October 2021 (EEST)

Странный Вы какой-то. С одной стороны предлагаете нарисовать Вам картинки, поясняющие суть предлагаемого. С другой стороны явно не говорите что уже пора удалить все созданные технологические персонажи. С третей стороны - возмущаетесь за высказывание мнения. И блокируете в ситуации прекращения действий, отмеченных как нежелательные. Ну да ладно. На месяц, так на месяц. Если измените своё мнение - отпишитесь на моей странице. (боюсь, Вы сами лишаете себя возможности повышения репутации своего сайта) --Gorvzavodru 09:45, 25 October 2021 (EEST)

  • Переходим на личности?
  • Ваше утверждение означает, что вы не собираетесь объяснять свои пожелания?
  • Я прямо написал на вашей странице обсуждения, чтобы вы удалили "технологические" записи. Dn Gov вам прямо написал, что создавать технологические записи не нужно.
  • Я не возмущаюсь высказываниями. Я не принимаю безаппеляционные заявления о не согласии в ответ на прямо высказанные аргументированные рекомендации. Это ВЫ обратились ко мне за рекомендацией, а теперь строите из себя обиженного.
  • Я пояснил причину блокировки, и надеюсь вам хватит времени на обдумывание и описание ВАШИХ желаний.
  • ЗЫ. за 16 лет существования сайта, вы второй человек на свете, которого я заблокировал по личной инициативе. --Baya 10:06, 25 October 2021 (EEST)

[edit] Other questions

A few questions if you have some time in the months to come :

You wrote that mythological links can be disabled in trees by choosing options. But I did not see the place in the settings where users can tick such options. - Dn Gov (d) 19:00, 24 October 2021 (EEST)
  • Oops, sorry, I have thought that it can be configured. I remember that I had wrote the link type feature with thoughts to configure it. --Baya 22:33, 24 October 2021 (EEST)
Is there a "suffix" (a bit like "?showfulltree=yes") that can be added to the end of an address to change temporarily the number of generations displayed in a tree (without having to modify the settings for ascendants or descendants) ? - Dn Gov (d) 19:00, 24 October 2021 (EEST)
  • No, good idea. Should be implemented --Baya 22:33, 24 October 2021 (EEST)
In an old revision of a record, if parents or children were registered for a person, the software shows these parents / children as they were at that time, but if no family relationships were registered for that old revision, the software shows the parents / children of the present-day version (instead of showing nobody). It is the case for example here (for parents) or here. It can be a bit confusing. - Dn Gov (d) 19:00, 24 October 2021 (EEST)
  • it's a bug/feature?. Because the app looks for relatives(parents or children) at first from the record description and if there no any relatives it takes it from db (to process relatives from other languages) --Baya 22:33, 24 October 2021 (EEST)
Maybe you forgot the change of username asked by 0661814071 on 4 July 2021. - Dn Gov (d) 19:00, 24 October 2021 (EEST)
  • I didn't forget. Unfortunately, I didn't remember exactly how to do this and afraid to start to do it ) I hope that over couple of months I'll have a bit more free time! --Baya 22:33, 24 October 2021 (EEST)
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