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[edit] DotNetWikiBot

I tried to connect with cs.rodovid over C# and dotnetwikibot, but it not work (connect error). It's possible use dotnetwikibot? It's possible use dotnetwikibot with my account? --kloin 09:12, 7 February 2017 (EET)

  • I never test it. Could you check the version of MediaWiki that bot supports? RD is powered by MW 1.9.3. --Baya 22:17, 8 February 2017 (EET)
    • Thank you. I will try debug dotnetwikibot. Dotnetwikibot is not tested on Rodovid. Probably variable useApi controle access to older version wiki. I will try make it work. --kloin 08:49, 9 February 2017 (EET)
      • Unfortunatly MW 1.9.3 is ten year old (2007-02-20) (too many changes). Are you going to in the near future to upgrade MediaWiki?--kloin 07:52, 10 February 2017 (EET)
  • There so many changes in MW code. I want to do it, but I think I'll have no time for this in nearest future ((( --Baya 17:24, 10 February 2017 (EET)

[edit] The "yellow wall"

Hi Baya!

Please don't forget to answer to Kloin!

We were waiting for you : this is the first of our request. I guess solution is simple for you.

Help Popup behaviour has changed (I think since we are hosted by Amazon, not sure). Help Popups now appears "on mouseover" ! This is a complete disaster! I thought I was the only one crying with these popups, but no. We had several users complaining past weeks, in RD.FR. I tried to teach (in real life) Rodovid to a new user : these popups are a misery to peoples who are not fluent with computers.

Please do something! Yellow Help popups must appears "on mouseclick" and have a close box! Nowadays, new users are quickly facing a Yellow Wall of popups, and they can't close them! Because they open them by accident, and because these popups stay on screen even if user goes to an aother tab…

Was I Clear?

Once again, it's nice to hear about you! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 15:04, 7 February 2017 (EET)

  • It is an old behavior. I did not change it. But I will try to redevelop it on weekends. --Baya 22:19, 8 February 2017 (EET)

"Blin!" I thought it was easy for you, just some clicks… I hope it won't be too much work? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 11:20, 11 February 2017 (EET)

  • It was not so hard )) DONE. --Baya 22:23, 11 February 2017 (EET) ("Blin" is a childish word for "blyad" == "fuck") ;)
    • Thank you ! (My children speak russian as well as french ! Not me…) --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:38, 12 February 2017 (EET)

[edit] Alphabet

In the list of users, the order of the cyrillic letters seems to be unusual :
К П О Ё А Н Р С Т У Ф Х Ц Ч Ш Щ Ь Э Ю Я М И Ж З Б В Г Д Є І Е Л Й
There is a similar situation in the list of countries. Dn Gov (d) 00:00, 13 February 2017 (EET)


Also, is it possible to translate the names of the alphabets in the FamilyList ? Dn Gov (d) 00:00, 13 February 2017 (EET)

  • Do you have any idea of when the order was changed? --Baya 20:47, 18 February 2017 (EET)
Not really. I began to notice that for countries some months ago (maybe one year?). Dn Gov (d) 21:00, 18 February 2017 (EET)
  • It's a pity --Baya 00:00, 19 February 2017 (EET)

[edit] Blocage

Bonjour, Baya. Le 27 janvier j'ai bloqué l'utilisateur Brachid après l'avoir prévenu et qui entrait des fiches sans aucune date ni lieu et évidemment sans source et ce sur de nombreuses générations. Le 12 février l'utilisateur Inestj (avec la même adresse IP) a frénétiquement créé des fiches sur de nombreuses générations sans date ni lieu et toujours sans source. Je l'ai donc bloqué. Nous lui avons proposé (elle est tunisienne) d'utiliser Rd.Ar, ou les règles de saisie sont à ce jour inexistantes. --alain 19:55, 18 February 2017 (EET)

thank you. --Baya 20:48, 18 February 2017 (EET)

maybe it will be better to give him possibility to finish his work? --Baya 21 février 2017 à 00:12 (EET)
Just do it!--alain 09:34, 21 February 2017 (EET)
I apply simply the rules that we settled. With a lot of moderation!--alain 13:36, 22 February 2017 (EET)
Dear Sir, I do not see good reasons to have a change of mind. Sorry.--alain 20:35, 22 February 2017 (EET)

[edit] Indonesia

Someone has sent us a message, asking the deletion of 4 records created about him and his family : id:Orang:236907, id:Orang:237998, id:Orang:238034, id:Orang:238035. Dn Gov (d) 00:00, 20 February 2017 (EET)

  • You have removed information about, thank you. If it is enough - ok. --Baya 00:59, 20 February 2017 (EET)
I thought it would be enough, but in another message that person insisted for a complete deletion. And I don't have admin rights for Rodovid ID… Dn Gov (d) 01:30, 20 February 2017 (EET)
Also I don't have access to the function "Special:CheckUser" that THLA used (neither on Rodovid FR nor on Rodovid BR). Can you change it? Thanks a lot. Dn Gov (d) 22:00, 20 February 2017 (EET)
  • both done --Baya 00:06, 21 February 2017 (EET)
Thank you!
(Unfortunately it does not work, or I miss something : it always ends with the message "Unable to add log entry". Anyway it is not very important). Dn Gov (d) 00:00, 23 February 2017 (EET)

[edit] Тяжёлый запрос

Если сделать запрос на ru.rodovid.org/wk?title=%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F:Eventsviewer&e=BIRT&f=800-01-01&t=2100-01-01, то есть без параметра p, в котором указывается место, то сервер на некоторое время подвиснет и будет отдавать 504 на все запросы.

  • Ага, фактически сортированая выборка всей базы ))) Давно писал, и тогда еще решил не разруливать. Сейчас со временем очень тяжело ((. --Baya 18:44, 24 March 2017 (EET)
  • Спасибо, очень полезная правка. --Baya 22:11, 29 March 2017 (EEST)

[edit] Wikidata

I talked of Rodovid to Ivan A. Krestinin a bot manager for Wikidata (the system organizing language links in Wikipedia), and he asked in return questions about compatibility.
I am unable to answer myself but I am sure that you know everything about these aspects. Dn Gov (d) 21:00, 13 May 2017 (EEST)


  1. I do not understand the situation.
    if it was possible 2 years ago
    • ... I have seen that on 5 January 2015 KrBot added numerous links to records of our site...
    why such question appears now?
    • ... Rodovid uses CC 2.5, WD uses CC0. Are these license compatible and allows data import ...
  2. where did you find links added by KrBot? (I'm just curious :) )

--Baya 22:55, 14 May 2017 (EEST)


I have only noticed this week that links to Rodovid pages had been added in Wikidata. For example, if you go to the Wikipedia page of Yaroslav the Wise, and if you click on "Редагувати посилання" at the end of the list of languages it brings to the Wikidata page with Rodovid among external links.
Some of the links added are listed in the history of Krbot.
After that I saw that other records of Rodovid had not yet been linked to in Wikidata, so I asked Ivan Krestinin if he could add them (I don't know how his bot works and why it added only some links).
Having these Wikidata links could be a good way to reach quickly Rodovid pages about famous people (and to avoid some duplicates in the different languages of Rodovid). Dn Gov (d) 01:00, 15 May 2017 (EEST)

Thank you. The KrBot have imported to WikiData only already existed links to RD from Russian & Ukrainian wikipedias. The bot only adds the link to RD page, and do not copy any information from RD. So I do not understand the question about license. --Baya 13:28, 15 May 2017 (EEST)

Krbot re-started to add links to Rodovid. Some of these Wikipedia pages were already tagged with a Rodovid template in several languages. Dn Gov (d) 03:00, 16 May 2017 (EEST)



Previously bot imported data from Wikipedia. Now you suggest to import data from Rodovid site. — answer (copied) from Ivan A. Krestinin 21:28, 15 May 2017 (EEST)
This list can not be used directly. It has many unreliable records. My bot need account for getting page source. Could you create it? — question (copied) from Ivan A. Krestinin 21:54, 15 May 2017 (EEST)

Is it OK to create an account for him ? Dn Gov (d) 22:00, 16 May 2017 (EEST)

As you wish :) I think it may be good cooperation. --Baya 08:38, 17 May 2017 (EEST)

[edit] Удаление умерших

Некоторые участники, требуя удалить личные данные родственников, также настаивают и на удалении данных умерших родственников. Согласно российскому законодательству потомки являются правопреемниками умерших родственников и в том числе имеют право от их лица настаивать на сокрытии личных данных. Полагаю, что в украинском законодательстве аналогично. С другой стороны мало кто может подтвердить подобное родство, особенно если речь идёт о пра-прародителях. Получается, что некое лицо, о котором ещё неизвестно, что оно вообще является тем, за кого себя выдаёт, требует удалить записи, связь с которыми оно вряд ли сможет подтвердить. Какова политика в этом случае? — Dionys 11:34, 16 June 2017 (EEST)


  • На ваше усмотрение )) Я бы, если дедушка/бабушка (и легко прослеживаются) - удалил бы. Во всех остальных случаях если записи добавлены этим человеком, то он их сам может поудалять. Если настаивают на удалении прабаушек и прадедушек и дальше, то можно еще и потролить. Типа спросить у них сканы паспортов и метрик )))
  • Подобные особомыслящие люди в 100% случаев гуглятся по вконтактам, однокласникам, фейсбукам и прочей социалке ((

--Baya 18:18, 17 June 2017 (EEST)

[edit] Pridėti žmogų

Hello !
Lithuanian user Audronaša would like a correction for the system message lt:MediaWiki:Rd addperson.
It should be written :
Pridėti žmogų
Can you change it? Thanks. Dn Gov (d) 02:01, 22 August 2017 (EEST)

  • done --Baya 23:40, 22 August 2017 (EEST)

[edit] Hello!

Privit Baya!

How are you? Did uou have any hollydays this summer? We were ten days in Moscow with my familly, in august. Really nice.

Some new users make Rodovid.FR rolling its slow run. Strange but interresting study about soldiers is developped by a new user in Rodovid.EN.

As usual : slowly but surely.

Ah uh… on the other hand… huh… I've blocked Almoustine… one more time… I guess now it's not really important… not sure…

Complete transcription of Tamerville is now rolling from 1624 to 1864 : more than 18.000 precisally sourced records !

Have a nice day ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 16:13, 24 August 2017 (EEST)


Hi

why did you delete private persons and sourced records added by Almoustine? --Baya 22:18, 27 August 2017 (EEST)


Hello

If you think these records are good things for Rodovid, no problem, it's possible to unerase them. But we are several users thinking it's a very bad idea. (See: Stop trolling RD campaign !, en:User_talk:Koavf#Back_to_reason etc.

Here is a good abstract of what are these contributions :

I didn't wrote this, and it's funny, but true.

We all know that this particular user built herself a pathologycally mythomaniac genealogic tree, with connections with almost all noble european families, specialy from Scandinavia and Normandy.
Plus making arbitrary connections from these families with antiques families, and then from Bible or legends etc. Using methods described in Common Genealogy Mistakes. I copy / paste :

  • "You are Related to People Who Have the Same Family Name"
  • "You Have Royalty in Your Family"
  • "Family Trees Can Go Back 1,000 Years"
  • "Citations Are Not Necessary"
  • "Ignore Minor Things Like Spelling"
  • "Fill in the Blanks"
  • "Dates Are Fluid"

etc.

If you want I can watch precisely last erased records (with help of french users, I must not do that alone) to correct what is possible to correct. But there won't be a lot to save.

This ask the question "what can be a collaobrative Genealogy site?". It seems that we don't have the answer yet.

Friendly yours --Christophe Tesson - talk. 17:44, 28 August 2017 (EEST)


Ok. I accept this decision. --Baya 21:34, 30 August 2017 (EEST)

Ok. Not particullary proud of this… --Christophe Tesson - talk. 15:29, 2 September 2017 (EEST)

[edit] Alphabets

Hello !
Does Rodovid have system messages to translate the names of the alphabets (for example in the page uk:Special:FamilyList) ?
Dn Gov (d) 21:00, 21 September 2017 (EEST)

  • They are hard-coded. It is very approximate naming. I'll look at it and refactor it to be more usable in nearest month. --Baya 18:45, 24 September 2017 (EEST)
O.K. :) Dn Gov (d) 01:00, 25 September 2017 (EEST)

[edit] Ссылки-сноски

Привет. Если в тексте поля «Заметки» профиля персоны вставить ссылку с помощью тега <ref> на одну и ту же сноску несколько раз, то обратная ссылка от сноски будет сформирована только для второй и последующей ссылок, но не для первой. Например, в тексте 3 раза встречается ссылка на сноску:

    <ref name="source">...</ref>
    <ref name="source"/>
    <ref name="source"/>

со сноски обратных ссылок будет всего 2:

[1][1][1]

[edit] Sources

  1. 1.1 1.2 ...


  • а зачем вставлять сноску на одно и тоже в одном месте? --Baya 21:08, 4 October 2017 (EEST)
Здесь сноски вместе только для примера. В реальности они, конечно, раскиданы по тексту. Но результат тот же. — Dionys 23:12, 4 October 2017 (EEST)
  • Понял, нет обратного линка на первое упоминание сноски. Посмотрю --Baya 22:26, 5 October 2017 (EEST)

[edit] Happy new year

Privit Yaroslav !

I wish you a happy new year, and a merry Xmas, to you and all of yours !

Thanks a lot for all you did with Rodovid ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 16:03, 26 December 2017 (EET)

Best wishes too for 2018!
Could you unprotect the Dutch Main page ? The statistics need to be updated. I asked the admin Svdmolen (the one with the most recent contributions) but I got no answer. Thanks ! Dn Gov (d) 02:00, 22 January 2018 (EET)
We're wirying about you… Is everything OK? Have you any problems? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 13:06, 3 February 2018 (EET)

Hi,

  • I have missed e-mail about the page changes. Main page unprotected.
  • Thhank you, no any problems, just everything is unchangeable ...

--Baya 22:08, 17 February 2018 (EET)

O.K. By the way, the number of records for persons is now over 1 million (since 2 February). Бу́дьмо ! - Dn Gov (d) 22:00, 18 February 2018 (EET)
Oooooooooooooone millioooooooooooooooooooooon !!!
Anyway, glad to read you ! I was worrying (and not wirying…) --Christophe Tesson - talk. 15:45, 19 February 2018 (EET)

[edit] Big mistake

Privit Yaroslav :

How are you ?

I've made a big mistake : I've erased several Images description pages, though they were used :

  • Image:Sophia Karkovna et Alexei Alexandrovitch.jpg
  • Image:Sophia Karlovna Rimsky-Korsakoff.jpg
  • Image:Cours supérieur pour les femmes. Le bâtiment principal sur le terrain de la Vierge.jpg

The user told me she don't have any copies of these images…

Is there any way to recover these files on Rodvoid ?

Have a nice day… --Christophe Tesson - talk. 09:59, 7 March 2018 (EET)

  • I think it is possible. I have the backups for the year. I will look for then in the backups. Could you please say me in what localisation these images were? --Baya 19:43, 1 June 2018 (EEST)

[edit] Messages

Hello !
Can I have sysop rights for Rodovid Engine?
(Some system messages haven't yet been added : editing form, preferences…).
Thanks.

А також може ви знизити захист на головній сторінці сербської мови? Я хотів би додати повідомлення про створення нових облікових записів.
Я залишив повідомлення на сторінці сербського адміністратора Baron, але він не відповідає. Очевидно, він є у вікі-паузіі з 2006 року.
Dn Gov (d) 23:00, 15 April 2018 (EEST)
Is there any Problem Baya? No answer since february? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 16:04, 25 May 2018 (EEST)


Hi, Dn Gov,

  1. you are sysop here.
  2. захист головної сторінки сербського розділу знято. --Baya 19:41, 1 June 2018 (EEST)

[edit] Bad news…

fr:User:THLA died on last saturday. He was a nice fellow, helping everybody, and a great power-user in Rodovid.fr. --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:37, 30 May 2018 (EEST)

  • News about THLA's death touched me, I understand that my words and thoughts have little to change, but I express my condolences to THLA's relatives and friends, and I hope that THLA's work in Rodovid will remind us of him for a long time. --Baya 19:36, 1 June 2018 (EEST)
I have coppied your message in rodovid.fr, so the familly can read it. Any message is helpfull in these case… --Christophe Tesson - talk. 20:21, 1 June 2018 (EEST)
  • Thank you --Baya 23:11, 6 June 2018 (EEST)

[edit] My silence

Hello everyone,

I'm sorry for my silence. It's all ok for me. I lost RD mail again in some way. I will check carefully during couple next week the RD mailing system. Moreover I have done some removing in RD by people requests but did not check my discussion page here ((( My apologies. --Baya 19:30, 1 June 2018 (EEST)

I want to add my special thanks to Christophe for his direct email to me about my silence. So I was noted. --Baya 19:46, 1 June 2018 (EEST)

It's nothing, you're welcome.--Christophe Tesson - talk. 20:10, 1 June 2018 (EEST)

[edit] Login difficulty

Hello again !
An old user, F.zucherato, has sent an (indirect) message on Rodovid PT because he can not access his account and because he has forgotten the address he used then.
Is it possible for you to remind him his old address by e-mail ? (He gave his new address in his message).
Dn Gov (d) 21:05, 1 June 2018 (EEST)

Yes, thanks a lot, DN GOV !
I just accessed here, engine, to ask Baya about same case... :-)

I would like to know if can the Local Sysop (me!) use any special page to edit the registration / account of another user (as we already doing to create a new account/userid !?) and change/correct their e-mail address ?
Morais 23:01, 2 June 2018 (EEST)


Hello,

  1. Every registered user can send e-mail to other registered user directly from the site.
  2. Mentioned account was registered with e-mail 'sc.....13@yahoo.com.br'
  3. Morais, there are no such possibility at RD. Generally I can edit user information directly in DB, but I never do it. --Baya 22:57, 6 June 2018 (EEST)
  • Ok. Thanks a lot ! I saw your reply on same date, but I lost reply/commnent here... sorry ! Morais 08:20, 16 August 2018 (EEST)

Some times I answer after looooong delay ))) Be well --Baya 21:41, 16 August 2018 (EEST)

[edit] Lost images

Privit Baya

  • Image:Sophia Karkovna et Alexei Alexandrovitch.jpg
  • Image:Sophia Karlovna Rimsky-Korsakoff.jpg
  • Image:Cours supérieur pour les femmes. Le bâtiment principal sur le terrain de la Vierge.jpg

were uploaded from Rodovid.fr --Christophe Tesson - talk. 17:56, 3 June 2018 (EEST)

---

Salut Christophe!

sorry for long delay,

please check if bellow images are that you need :)

--Baya 18:34, 30 November 2018 (EET)

[edit] Все родственники одним деревом

Есть ли на портале функция представления ВСЕХ записей пользователя о своих родственниках ОДНОЙ графической структурой/деревом?

  • net --Baya 07:36, 16 August 2018 (EEST)

[edit] Ridni?

Privit Baya !

How are you?

I have two questions :

  1. Did you find these lost images I asked (above)?
  2. Did you make any partnership with Ridni? (https://ridni.org/). Their ads are passing through AdBlock and are displayed on Rodovid. It could be a good idea, but I didn't understand how it works…

Have a nice day --Christophe Tesson - talk. 17:40, 25 November 2018 (EET)


Salut Christophe!

  1. I'm sorry. I forgot. Thank you for reminding. (DONE. see results above in the page)
  2. Yes, maybe it will give me some income, so it will be possible to spend some time for the RD developing. Because of it's not an adv. ;)

Have a nice day too --Baya 22:15, 25 November 2018 (EET)


Salut Yaroslav !

  1. Thanks a lot ! I told the good news to Agnès Rimsky-korsakoff
  2. About Ridni:
    1. Could we translate the text "Genealogical Research in the archives of Ukraine" etc.
    2. If we have partnership it's a good idea to anounce it on front page. Do you agree? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 19:14, 1 December 2018 (EET)

Salut!

  1. The Ridni site supports only Ukrainian. So I think that even English is more than we need.
  2. As you wish. ))

--Baya 21:24, 1 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] Bug with Family's Edtition

Hello Baya, I have a problem, i can't edit my Families's Page. When I want edit a family, it's the Home Page which is modificated... So I never can edie any wedding. I just can modify the Home Page. I don't understand why. And Christophe Tesson don't understand this problem. Could you do something please ? StanMiszkowk 19:09, 1 December 2018 (EET)

Mamonaku (another poweruser) says he have exactly the same bug ! I don't have this problem, maybe because I have admin's rights? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 19:35, 1 December 2018 (EET)
  • checking --Baya 20:01, 1 December 2018 (EET)
  • The wrong behavior was possible today morning. But now everything should be ok. Could they, please, check a family page editing now? --Baya 20:06, 1 December 2018 (EET)
Thanks a lot ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:59, 2 December 2018 (EET)
► Thank you very much ! I've edited a family page and now everything is ok. Thank you again Baya StanMiszkowk 14:50, 2 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] Ridni

Hello Baya !

Partnership with Ridni is announced on RD.FR front page. I do think that users are more confortable when they understand how the site is running, specially with money! French text means :

• About "Ridni":

Official partner of Rodovid, Ridni is a genealogical research service in the archives of Ukraine. Their site is currently only available in Ukrainian, but an English version is planned. It is always possible to use an automatic translator to get an idea of how it works. Rates are announced in "Hryvnia" but can also be displayed in Euros or Dollars. This partnership is intended to subsidize the costs of the Rodovid server, and the future developments of "Rodovid Engine" (our software). You will find their research form opposite (only in English: "Genealogical Research in the archives of Ukraine").

Is it correct? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:41, 2 December 2018 (EET)

  • I think, yes. Thank you. --Baya 12:58, 2 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] фотографии

Спасибо, что нашли фотографии моей бабушки Софья Карловна Римская-Корсакова. Желаю вам хорошего дня.

  • welcome, have a nice day too )) --Baya 12:59, 2 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] December 2, 2018

- The first point. Google ads completely removed. For the last six month I had $27.30 in total. I don't see any reasons to continue. The next point is a usage of google analytics.

Oooh! This is bad news! I thought ads were paying the whole server cost… --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:10, 3 December 2018 (EET)

Two years ago. I forgot to add report for 2017 year. I'll add reports for two years simultaneously in January )) --Baya 22:28, 3 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] страницу своей семьи

Доброго здоровья Baya! Подскажите пожалуйста! Никак не могу редактировать страницу своей семьи.Только собираюсь отредактировать выбрать язык, как меня пересылают на Редактирование страницы: "Многоязычное генеалогическое древо" Поэтому я никогда не могу добавить новый язык,такая же история была две недели назад в разделе "Родственные связи" не мог добавить новую или редактироввать старую свадьбу.  — Анатолий Родовик 13:54, 5 декабрь 2018 (EET)

  • Такое было втечение пары часов 1го или 2го декабря. Сейчасв все работает нормально. Можете вы конкретно указать страницу семьи или персоны, на которой вы наблюдаете описанное? --Baya 20:26, 5 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] страницу своей семьи

Здравствуйте, Бая! Да это семья, Маяковских, там кто то в русской локации написал Маяковські, теперь хочу отдельно на украинскую локацию, чтобы был порядок.

Семья Маяковских https://ru.rodovid.org/wk/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8C:720155

Извините не разбираюсь к сожалению во всех компьютерных терминах и правках.

 — Анатолий Родовик Bugrim 08:33, 6 December 2018 (EET)

  • предыдущий раз вы справшивали про семью, сейчас описываете поле "Род". Пожалуйста, прочитайте внимательно справку. И не используйте нуместные отговорки. --Baya 21:20, 6 December 2018 (EET)
  • Этот "кто-то" -- вы сами. Прочитайте внимательно справку. --Baya 21:22, 6 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] страницу своей семьи

Здравствуйте, Бая! Отговорками не занимаюсь,скорее всего вы не поняли вопрос,так как я не совсем чётко написал а суть такова,действительно была проблема с семьёй но видимо не имею возможности доказать что она ещё была,когда написал вам письмо,на следующий день эта проблема исчезла но появилась новая с редактированием языка,так и не исчезла к сожалению. Что до своих ошибок,я не боюсь признавать их,видимо забыл,но точно помню что в общем плане кто то изменил потому что не я создавал вот это https://ru.rodovid.org/wk/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%8C:390084 только редактировал малость. Бая напишите пожалуйста свой емейл на zetas2057@gmail.com и я вам вышлю копии метрических и других документов,чтобы вы понимали что имею родственное отношение к этой семье. В мыслях даже не было отговорок,с чего вы так решили,правда мой пароль знают два родственника,но наврядли они редактировали(можно по айпи адрессу проверить).Большую часть семьи Маяковских действительно создавал но язык в русской локации не менял на "ські" теперь собираюсь для порядка в украинской написать как положено у вас на сайте. Несколько раз добавлял что то новое а название фамилии последний раз вынужден был поменять на "ські" неделю назад только у одного человека потому что цвет от всех отличался и не смог через два дня после этого перевести потому что функция эта перестала работать. Могу вам переслать пароль чтобы вы посмотрели мои правки за весь период,и увидели проблему в разделе "На других языках".

Анатолий Родовик Bugrim 14:46, 7 December 2018 (EET)


  1. Все ваши вопросы автоматически получат ответы после того, как вы прочитаете справку.
  2. Никому не давайте свой пароль. Никогда. Это правило гигиены в интернете.
  3. Я вам писал про "было".
  4. Заявления о существовании проблем, которые не описаны - голословны и только крадут время.
  5. ПРОЧИТАЙТЕ СПРАВКУ.
  6. Прочитайте красный текст вначале этой страницы.

--Baya 20:38, 7 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] Благодарность

Спасибо за совет,постараюсь вникнуть в суть! Извините за ошибки.

Анатолий Родовик Bugrim 02:15, 8 December 2018 (EET)

  • Спасибо за понимание. --Baya 20:50, 8 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] New admin in FR?

Privit Baya!

I wish you a happy new year and a merry january Xmas (if we don't talk before January).

Could you please give sysop rights to Enjoymegrine? He's a nice fellow, tracking tunisians trees in RD.FR ans other localizations. He's finding lots of duplicates and islolated records. With sysop rights he could erase these useless records!

Thanks in advance! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:27, 18 December 2018 (EET)

  1. Thank you, my congratulations to you ))
  2. DONE
Tnaks Thanks a lot ! --Christophe Tesson - talk.
  • ))--Baya 21:24, 18 December 2018 (EET)

welcome, --Baya 16:36, 18 December 2018 (EET)

[edit] Merry Xmas

and happy statistics: 1 055 927 records. (see : https://fr.rodovid.org/wk/Special:Statistics). Thanks to Dn Gov for this count ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 18:21, 6 January 2019 (EET)

  • Interesting ))) How had Dn Gov calculated it? --Baya 13:09, 7 January 2019 (EET)
  • This is a translation of his method :

Countdown made from Special: Allpages. In all namespaces, each full page lists 960 records (out of 320 rows) and the deleted people are not listed.

(Décompte fait à partir de Special:Allpages. Dans tous les espaces de noms, chaque page complète répertorie 960 fiches (sur 320 lignes) et les personnes effacées n'y figurent pas.) --Christophe Tesson - talk. 17:18, 7 January 2019 (EET)

In fact, since 2016 I have used a method that everyone can check, with the "New records" page. By changing the offset in the address, one can see the rank of the earliest record.
For example in the English version, you can see the total number for Rodovid, or only the number of English records.
But it works only for the person namespace. I tried to do the same for couples or places using the "New pages" link but it gives only the recent pages. Dn Gov (d) 22:00, 7 January 2019 (EET)
Nice trick ! --Christophe Tesson - talk.
  • It's nice. I know about the 'New records' way but it's not too clear )) The 'Allpages' is more simple. Thank you guys. --Baya 19:17, 9 January 2019 (EET)

[edit] Oops! One more time the same bug?

Privit Baya!

How are you?

It seems there's one more time a similar bug : I am trying to move fr:Personne:1165292 to russian localization, but it doesn't work. When I try to do that, RD.RU invite me to edit main page… Embarassing…

Have you any idea?

Friendly yours ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:52, 12 January 2019 (EET)


Salut Christophe,

The same issue, but different bug. I have resolved it. But some cached locally urls will continue redirect you on the wrong page. If it possible clear the cache for rodovid site in your browser. --Baya 15:29, 12 January 2019 (EET)

[edit] Something turned bad

I’m typing on my phone. Impossible to log-in RD after purging cache on my main computer:

ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS (usine chrome almost the same usine edge) --Christophe Tesson - talk. 17:20, 12 January 2019 (EET)

Да, страница логина сломана. Во-первых, переход на неё из верхнего меню на адрес https://en.rodovid.org/wk?title=Special:Userlogin бесконечно редиректит на страницу https://en.rodovid.org//Special:Userlogin?title=Special:Userlogin. Ладно, можно догадаться и руками исправить на https://en.rodovid.org/wk/Special:Userlogin и появится форма логина. Но, во-вторых, в ней в атрибуте action указана ссылка /wk?title=Special:Userlogin&action=submitlogin&type=login, отправка данных на которую опять же приводит к бесконечному редиректу на /submitlogin/Special:Userlogin?title=Special:Userlogin&action=submitlogin&type=login. Если исправить поле action на /wk/Special:Userlogin?action=submitlogin&type=login, войти наконец получится. — Dionys 10:40, 13 January 2019 (EET)

Thanks Dionys! (Still typing with iPhone wich is still loged-in) I can access to log-in page with the last adress yougave. But when I «log in» it’s same error : err_too_many_redirects ! So it does not work ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 11:29, 13 January 2019 (EET)

You need to change HTML form attribute action value to /wk/Special:Userlogin?action=submitlogin&type=login on login page. E.g. type in browser console: document.forms["userlogin"].action = "/wk/Special:Userlogin?action=submitlogin&type=login". And try to login. — Dionys 13:49, 13 January 2019 (EET)
  • Thank you Dionys. I'm sorry for so stupid bug. I have removed redirects at all. Will do it later. --Baya 15:50, 13 January 2019 (EET)
Well done ! It works ! (Typing from my main computer !) Thanks everybody !
And it's really cool to see everybody reacting in few hours! Let's roll-dovid !--Christophe Tesson - talk. 16:24, 13 January 2019 (EET)

[edit] Flashing labels ?

Salut hardi compagnon d'infortune !

Hello daring companion of misfortune! Some old strange french friendly salutation between hard-workers

Some users (in fact only one) complains, about a new behavior of trees in Rodovid: some labels with minimum info are flashing when "mouseover". For instance : fr:Personne:338853. When you "mouseover", label is flashing. I think it depends of browser.

Have any simple idea to fix this "flash" ? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:36, 27 January 2019 (EET)

  • Salut!

Hope, it's fixed. --Baya 23:12, 28 January 2019 (EET)

fr:User:Enjoymegrine said : Et le problème d'affichage me semble résolu. C'est parfait !!
(no more display troubles, it's perfect!!) - Thanks a lot ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 13:07, 29 January 2019 (EET)


[edit] Registrations

Hello !
I have lost the possibility of creating accounts for localisations other than RD FR and RD BR with the account Dn Gov, and for all localisations with my other account Dn-Gov.
I cleared the cache of my browser and re-validated my address but it did not change anything.
Is there a solution ? Dn Gov (d) 22:00, 2 February 2019 (EET)

  • Fixed. --Baya 20:38, 3 February 2019 (EET)
Thanks !
Christophe (Tesson) told me that he was in the same situation. Can you fix it for him too ?
Dn Gov (d) 02:00, 4 February 2019 (EET)
  • It was a common issue. --Baya 21:00, 4 February 2019 (EET)

[edit] French "Place:" pages

Priviit Baya!

It's a long time I didn't wrote any news.

We can proudly announce that all "Place:" pages located in nowadays France borders have been re-written! Almost 8000 pages…

  • Simplest pages look like that : fr:Lieu:Abainville (55).
    • There is a map for a rough localization
    • link to googlemaps for something more precise
    • link to Wikipédia
    • link to "Base Cassini", a really usefull university site from "EHESS" (high school for social studies, or social science, don't know exact translation. école des hautes études en sciences sociales).
    • Plus a link to "department archives site" for each town. I guess it's something typicaly french : (almost) complete archived parish or town registries scanned and free displayed on web. (How lucky we are!)
    • Plus "Who's cited here ?" template.
  • One step ahead, we have this : fr:Lieu:Bar-le-Duc (55)
    • It's the same template. You just can see that there is an added picture. So then, the rough localization is going up to the top of the box.
  • Most complex "Place:" pages may look like this : fr:Lieu:Tamerville (50)
    • Complete old style administration (before french revolution in 1789)
    • Nowadays administration, etc. etc.

So then it was easy to have a category of all these "Place:" pages : fr:Catégorie:France (toutes communes) usefull to check if any place have already registered or not.

Plus a test : where are big "Place:" pages ? They are here :

I'm not sure I have a good idea, but the purpose is for press : when they talk about Rodovid, it's place by place. (See : fr:Revue française de Généalogie 2016 (Revue de Presse-Rodovid). This means users have to check how many events have been registered for each 36000 french town in rodovid, and write it in special template for each "Place:" page. Rather complex, but usefull.

Anyway, it leads us to a nice information : new users are going much more faster than pionneers in Rodovid. See:

--Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:17, 11 June 2019 (EEST)


Salut Christophe!

It's a really huge amount of work. And results are great. I was thinking for couple of last months that somebody is doing something because of a server load is increased a bit. And now the enigma is open ))) I love the order (in appropriate places :). A unified presentation of content will simplify understanding and increase usability. It's a great work. Congratulations on completing of this process!

As I understand now you are processing english pages? ;)

Sincerely to all members of the process, --Baya 14:24, 11 June 2019 (EEST)


This was a very long cumulative process: map of France were drawn in 2009! It was not easy to put together all the ideas in only one unified presentation, because many users have tried their own ideas on particular "place:" pages.

For instance, the 102 french "departements" (something like a район) have their sets of three colors for design. So then it leads us to create 3*102 "colour templates". (from : fr:Modèle:01/Couleur/1 to fr:Modèle:976/Couleur/3).

The result is shown on this page fr:Aide:Charte graphique, started in 2011!

I'm sure the basic template for "Place:" pages could be more compact, but it works. fr:Modèle:Page Lieu France v3

In this template, when you type the 2 or 3 digits number of the "departement"

  1. you write the correct first sentance of the page : "<Place> is a town in the <departement>, in the <région>" (Région = область)
  2. you set the 3 colors of the box
  3. you set the correct map of France, with the localization.
  4. you set the link to "departement archive" site
  5. you set a link to the department "source machine" : special pages to create "source templates".
  6. you set the correct "departement" category

Not so bad for non professionals ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 10:17, 12 June 2019 (EEST)


Salut!

Of course I understand that this work have taken a much more time then couple of months :) I'm sorry that I wrote it so disambiguate. I have just supposed that the you have used recently some automation. If it was done without any automation it's a terrific. It's amazing. --Baya 17:48, 12 June 2019 (EEST)

Oh! You don't have to be sorry! I just forgot to type some :-) or )))
There was no automation! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 14:05, 13 June 2019 (EEST)

You, guys, are crazy )))))))) --Baya 15:19, 13 June 2019 (EEST)

nOt koMPleTLy KreZy, juST a biT. soRrY i HAve to eat mY piLLs, aS tHE maN WItH wHITe cOAt tOLD me.

Send regards to a man in a white coat ))))))))))))))) --Baya 21:24, 13 June 2019 (EEST)


[edit] Никольское

Прошу прощение за беспокойство!

Только один простой вопрос - в попытке навести порядок в одной из категорий мною обнаружена следующая странность - у места ru:Place:Никольское нет возможности ввести неоднозначность места и сделать соответствующий набор мест с разными описаниями. Я систематизирую категории мест по Орловской губернии и только в ней населенных пунктов с таким названием имелось несколько, что уж говорит про другие регионы. Если вернуть редактирование к той странице по каким либо причинам невозможно, пожалуйста подскажите, как ввести ru:Template:Неоднозначность места для этого названия?

  • На странице 10 лет назад была включена защита от правок. Отключил защиту. --Baya 17:20, 26 June 2019 (EEST)

Большое спасибо! Удачи!

[edit] Holiday work

[edit] Marriages

In some records of people who have been married twice, only one couple is shown, for example es:Person:1198026. Dn Gov (d) 01:00, 7 July 2019 (EEST)

  • fixed --Baya 20:48, 8 July 2019 (EEST)

[edit] Logs

In the recent changes (for example here yesterday), when logs are included, the description of the operation is sometimes not given (there are only the parenthesis). Dn Gov (d) 11:00, 6 July 2019 (EEST)

  • Unfortunately, I can't resolve it now. --Baya 17:52, 8 July 2019 (EEST)

[edit] Surnames

A user has started records with arabic surnames, but in the list of names they are shown in the line of the hebrew alphabet Dn Gov (d) 11:00, 6 July 2019 (EEST)

  • fixed --Baya 21:14, 8 July 2019 (EEST)

[edit] Accounts

I created a help page about new accounts and used automatic translation to start a draft. Can you correct the text? Dn Gov (d) 11:00, 6 July 2019 (EEST)

Thank you. By the way, the field "Search for a person by name" of the Relationships tab is supposed to provide a list of people with that name but I never managed to make it work since I became a member (I don't know if I am the only one). Dn Gov (d) 03:01, 9 July 2019 (EEST)
  • it does not work because of the text search is disabled (( --Baya 13:34, 10 July 2019 (EEST)

[edit] Search

The search field in the left side of a page has disappeared, maybe when the Ridni link was added. Is it possible to have it back? Dn Gov (d) 03:01, 9 July 2019 (EEST)

  • Do you mean the search form? The text search was disabled many years ago. So I have hidden the form. Or do you mean something else? --Baya 13:40, 10 July 2019 (EEST)
I was refering to the "search" field (with the two buttons) that can be seen on this archive image, under the navigation and the advanced search and above the toolbox. Dn Gov (d) 01:00, 11 July 2019 (EEST)
  • This form does not working... I just have hidden it. Do you suggest to show a non-working form? --Baya 10:16, 11 July 2019 (EEST)
Well, yes :))
It still worked for ordinary wiki pages, when you want to go quickly to a subcategory, a user page, a place, to create a page or even maybe find a name via Google. It can also be done with the search link of the special pages but it is less direct. Dn Gov (d) 01:00, 12 July 2019 (EEST)
  • Ooops, so many features. Restored. --Baya 09:37, 12 July 2019 (EEST)
 :) Dn Gov (d) 01:01, 13 July 2019 (EEST)

[edit] New french sysop ?

Salut Baya !

Did you have a nice summer ?

I would like to ask a new sysop in RD.FR : fr:Utilisateur:Mamonaku. Nice guy (or girl, I don't know). He's doing a tremendeous work : exhaustive transcription of parish and city records of Suze-la-Rousse, a nice village in Drôme, France : 12591 events today. I guess this transcription will be bigger than Tamerville in the end.

He is OK to help where he feels he can help. For instance modifying homepage : so he needs sysop rights. Could you please do this ?

Have a nice day ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 18:14, 22 August 2019 (EEST)


Salut Christophe!

Today I found that the autumn comes next week. ))) Not bad ))

Mamonaku has granted with sysop rights.

Have a nice evening ;) --Baya 21:28, 22 August 2019 (EEST)


Thanks a lot ! --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:50, 24 August 2019 (EEST)

[edit] How to write a link to «Special:Prefixindex&from=&namespace=1004» in the sidebar

Salut Yaroslav !

Mamonaku has good and great ideas, just as a beginner can have : it's realy strange that sidebar does not lead to a search tool for Clan-names (I know there is "Special:FamilyList", but the ergonomy is poor)

Though Mediawiki provides :

On this page looking for any clan leads directly to the desired "Clan:" page. (huh, ok in Rodovid.FR and Rodovid.EN, because all requested "Clan:" pages are created as soon as they are requested.)

So both of us, adding our ideas thought it could be a really good thing to write a link to these special pages in sidebar. Unfortunately I didn't find any correct syntax to do that.

Have you any idea ? --Christophe Tesson - talk. 12:50, 24 August 2019 (EEST)

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